David in NJ
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Good - stay with the truth and do not add or take away from God's words.
Bible alone!
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Good - stay with the truth and do not add or take away from God's words.
Another thing.
Jesus was slain before the foundation of the world.
This means the sacrifice of Abel COMMEMORATED this prior event.
All sacrifices commemorated the prior event.
This is why sacrifices satisfied God from destroying man.
Every sacrifice in the OT "replayed" the death of His son in God's memory.
Amen, nor add mass commentary or presupposition to them.;)
24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son:...
Yep. Joseph waited for about a year.
Matt 17:1-5
And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.
4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
only God can appear this way
the father speaks
My son
cloud represents the Holy Spirit
Christ is divine!
The trinity is Christian doctrine reveled by Christ and scripture and the church he founded!
And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.
4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
only God can appear this way
the father speaks
My son
cloud represents the Holy Spirit
Christ is divine!
The trinity is Christian doctrine reveled by Christ and scripture and the church he founded!
And knew her not till...
Say "till".
If you cannot say "till", you are lying to yourself.
Jim B
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Joseph didn't know who she was for a year? Amnesia?
David in NJ
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Joseph and Mary were a marriage made in Heaven = Matthew 1:
Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit. 19Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not wanting to make her a public example, was minded to put her away secretly. 20But while he thought about these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit.
Then Joseph, being aroused from sleep, did as the angel of the Lord commanded him and took to him his wife,
and did not know her untill she had brought forth her firstborn Son. And he called His name Jesus.
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David in NJ
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"untill after Jesus was born" = after that it was God's Will for Joseph and Mary to embrace the marriage bed (sexual union) and produce offspring = according to the Will of God for the man and his wife = see Genesis.
David in NJ
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that say they did not have sex to that point, it does not say they did have sex after that or ever
But Lk 1:34 say she never had sex and the apostolic tradition by the authority of Christ says never
you accuse some of skipping acts 2:38 now you are a skipper!
you skipped Matt 17:1-5???
David in NJ
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YES, the Bible CLEARLY infers that Joseph and Mary had Ordained/from Heaven SEXUAL Union with each other.
Whenever the scripture says "the man knew his wife" = SEXUAL EMBRACE / NAKED in the Marriage Bed the way God first made Adam and Eve = Naked and Unafraid
amigo de christo
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And even paul warns the married ones , to defraud ye not one another , UNLESS ye agree and arefasting etc .
THEN come back together again , lest satan tempt you . yeah .
amigo de christo
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Cause she was a virgin . Everyone here agrees with that . We know she was a virgin
and that joseph KNEW HER NOT , TILL AFTER , TILL AFTER the child was born .
THEN over the years we see JESUS had many brothers and sisters . Mary and joseph
had children ,AFTER the birth of CHRIST . No sex was done before that birth . SHE was a virgin
and joseph never even KNEW HER , NOT TILL AFTER the CHILD was born .
And have fun showing me in scripture where it ever teaches that those brethren of JESUS
were not the children of mary and joseph . Exactly . You are being told they were not by THE CC .
YET even in scripture it says HE KNEW her NOT TILL AFTER
IF he had never known her , it would have said , AND HE NEVER KNEW HER , FOR MARY REMAINED A VIRGIN for ever .
Yall are teaching things and adding stuff in . Just like you do with prayers to mary , to saints , to angels
and popes having men kissing rings and being called MOST HOLY FATHER and many other things you all do .
SUch as even making large images and kneeling before them when you pray .
The list goes on and on with that church . SO come out of her my friend . I come not as an enemy ,
but rather out of great love for your soul i do warn you .
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