Bible alone!

[theefaith]

Rather odd when men tried to kneel before peter , PETER corrected
THEY made it into an instution to exalt themselves and power and control . That is what the CC did .

yes we owe obedience to Christ the king
And he founded a kingdom Dan 2:44 and appointed valid authorized ministers
Then ascended to heaven
Do obedience to his ministers is obedience to Christ the king!

the ring is only a sign of this authority that Christ ordained in Peter and his successors

not worship
Not adoration

 

[theefaith]

Example

pharaoh’s minister was Joseph and obedience to Joseph was obedience to pharaoh
And the brothers bowed down to Joseph in obedience!

see Isa22:21-22 father and holder of the key with Matt 16:18-19

Jesus Peter and the keys

 

[David in NJ]

yes we owe obedience to Christ the king
And he founded a kingdom Dan 2:44 and appointed valid authorized ministers
Then ascended to heaven
Do obedience to his ministers is obedience to Christ the king!

the ring is only a sign of this authority that Christ ordained in Peter and his successors

not worship
Not adoration

Kiss the 'ring of death' and die for all eternity.
or
listen to the words of the Apostle Peter: "Humble yourselves, therefore, under God’s mighty hand, so that in due time He may exalt you."

Follow in the footsteps of Christ and the Apostles
or
follow the wolves dressed in sheep's clothing to eternal flames

CHRIST says to you = wide is the path and crooked the way that leads to death..................

 

[Truther]

Here is the quote from Matthew in English (not Englyshe): "When Joseph awoke from sleep he did what the angel of the Lord told him. He took his wife, but did not have marital relations with her until she gave birth to a son, whom he named Jesus." Matthew 1:24-25, NET v2.1

Notice that Joseph did have marital relations after Jesus' birth. And elsewhere it says that Jesus had several brothers.

Now this is clear that bias has clouded the Catholic mind.

 

[Truther]

lol - i like a good laugh - thanks

Ya know, we are all individuals here.

We all think differently and have out own ideas and values.

I teach the Bible and test what I teach on forums.

I don't want to teach anything that can be debunked with scripture, so I value all conversations.

 

[Truther]

not an anti-trinitarian cannot understand

he asked is she the mother of the divine nature? No
But She is the mother of His person
And He is divine!

hence the mother of God
Mother of a divine person
But not the mother of the divine nature

So the human nature that you say God "took on" is not in His being anymore?

Was it shed at the cross?

Or, does the Spirit God have a human nature mixed in His being somehow?

 

[Truther]

still never said about after
Mathew is only defining a certain point in time

Matthew explicitly said Joseph did not "woo woo" with Mary "till"....

 

[Truther]

cos you did
Skipper
Explain it to me please

Matt 17:1-5
Only God can be transfigured in glory

and the trinity is there
Voice of the father
The son in glory
The Holy Spirit in the cloud

explain

Only God can be transfigured from human to glorious?

God is human?

Was a human transfigured into divinity?

Was Moses' face made divine?

 

[Truther]

Also

a vow of perpetual virginity see below

Ark of the new covenant!
The dwelling place of God!
God dwelt in Mary’s womb for 9 months, remember the ark was incorruptible wood covered with pure gold signifying Mary’s immaculate purity!
read exodus or any place in the Old Testament where something came into contact with God or was consecrated to the service of God it had to be pure and Holy!
In the ark was the word of God!
In Mary the new ark is the living Word!
In the ark was the mana!
In Mary was the bread come down from heaven! Jn 6
Bethlehem means house to of bread!

Lk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Matt 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, (Isa 7:14) and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Jn 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Holy mother of God!

Lk 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, Mary full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

Biblical principle:
Anything Consecrated to God must be pure and used only for the purpose of serving God!

See exodus: the ark of the covenant, everything used in the temple etc.

Ezekiel 44:2 “This gate shall remain shut; it shall not be opened, and no one shall enter by it; for the Lord, the God of Israel, has entered by it; therefore it shall remain shut.”

So Joseph cannot enter in where the Holy Spirit has entered!

Song of Solomon 4:12 A garden inclosed is my sister, my spouse; a spring shut up, a fountain sealed.

(Mary had become the dwelling place of the Almighty, like the Ark of the Covenant in the Old Testament. Mary was a vessel consecrated to God alone?)

Isa 66:9 Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the Lord: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God.

Mary and her virginity are Consecrated to God in immaculate purity, the pure gold of divine love!

Mary was the dwelling place of the Almighty, like the Ark of the Covenant in the Old Testament. Mary was a vessel consecrated to God alone!


Can a man use the ark of the covenant for a common dinner table?

Then Joseph can in no any way use Mary for a common wife!

No mere man may enter where God conceived! Ez 44:2

Mary would not consent to God’s will and to receive the exalted dignity of the mother of God if it means violating her vow of perpetual virginity then why simply consent relations with Joseph!

That’s impossible!

Lk 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

(This verse imply’s that Mary is consecrated to God alone! and has taken a vow of perpetual virginity! She was s willing to refuse even the exalted dignity of mother of God, the mother of our savior, and mother of all Christians if it means violating Her vow of perpetual virginity)

Lk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.

37 For with God nothing shall be impossible.

38 And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.

She consented to our salvation when she realized it would not violate her vow of perpetual virginity!

A good tree!

Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

The fruit of the tree of Mary is our salvation! Lk 2:30 Jesus is our salvation!
Lk 1:30 Mary found our salvation!

Not a word of the scriptures you posted even remotely say that Mary made a perpetual vow of virginity.

You made it up.

 

[David in NJ]

Keep on seeking and searching the Scripture - but do not add to or take away less you corrupt the Truth and thus be found to be a liar.

Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.
Proverbs 30:5-6

 

[David in NJ]

Ya know, we are all individuals here.

We all think differently and have out own ideas and values.

I teach the Bible and test what I teach on forums.

I don't want to teach anything that can be debunked with scripture, so I value all conversations.

Elohim Word was never a man before HE came into the world - So you do hold on to a false teaching in your mind.

“God is not a man, that He should lie,
Nor a son of man, that He should repent."
Numbers 23:19

 

[Truther]

Elohim Word was never a man before HE came into the world - So you do hold on to a false teaching in your mind.

“God is not a man, that He should lie,
Nor a son of man, that He should repent."
Numbers 23:19

Are you of the persuasion of folks that think that God does not know folks until they are born?

Did God actually know Jeremiah before his parents conceived him or was that just God making it up(exaggerating).

 

[theefaith]

Kiss the 'ring of death' and die for all eternity.
or
listen to the words of the Apostle Peter: "Humble yourselves, therefore, under God’s mighty hand, so that in due time He may exalt you."

Follow in the footsteps of Christ and the Apostles
or
follow the wolves dressed in sheep's clothing to eternal flames

CHRIST says to you = wide is the path and crooked the way that leads to death..................

Then obey Christ
Christ and his church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32

Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?
What mission / ministry does Christ have?

Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission! Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!

We must be taught by Peter, the apostles, and their successors! Lk 10:16 Matt 28:19 Jn 21:17 Jn 16:13 acts 2:42

Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Lk 1:4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.

Acts 8:30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?

31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

Col 2:7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.

Matthew 18:17
And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

It is a thing unthinkable! To refuse to hear the church is to refuse to hear Christ!
Christ and His church are one. Acts 9:4

Spiritual Fathers have care for our souls!

Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Jn 21:17 feed my sheep:

Heb 13:7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.

Heb 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they care for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

1 Tim 1:2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.

Gal 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you

1 John 2
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not.

That makes Paul and John spiritual fathers, pastors of our souls!

Obedience of the faithful Christians or spiritual anarchy of the heretical fundamentalists!

 

[theefaith]

So the human nature that you say God "took on" is not in His being anymore?

Was it shed at the cross?

Or, does the Spirit God have a human nature mixed in His being somehow?

It don’t matter
You reject Christ and his church and deny the divinity of Christ so the mother of God is based on it

 

[Truther]

It don’t matter
You reject Christ and his church and deny the divinity of Christ so the mother of God is based on it

Divine mother creates a divine son?

 

[theefaith]

Matthew explicitly said Joseph did not "woo woo" with Mary "till"....

yep he did not

2 Samuel 6:23 tells us: Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child UNTIL the day of her death.

Are we to assume that Michal had children after she died?

 

[Truther]

yep he did not

2 Samuel 6:23 tells us: Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child UNTIL the day of her death.

Are we to assume that Michal had children after she died?

2 different stories a thousand years apart.

 

[theefaith]

Only God can be transfigured from human to glorious?

God is human?

Was a human transfigured into divinity?

Was Moses' face made divine?

yes He became man!

Both God and man
Two natures two wills
One person

Only God has glory!

John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

begotten does not mean created
All men are created only Christ is begotten!

 

[theefaith]

Not a word of the scriptures you posted even remotely say that Mary made a perpetual vow of virginity.

You made it up.

It’s a logical conclusion

like there are three kings or wise men!

The Bible never says there are three!
But three gifts are mentioned so a logical conclusion would by that there are three kings or wide men!

and lk 1:43 shows that a vow of perpetual virginity is a logical conclusion

 

[theefaith]

Divine mother creates a divine son?

opposite divinity of Christ makes Mary the mother of God