Can you imagine the nasty confession the priest hears, even not having the Holy Ghost to council him?
No wonder they are alcoholics and molesters on a grand scale.
Bible alone!
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No wonder they are alcoholics and molesters on a grand scale.
Jim B
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While I agree with this post, the last statement is wrong. Even if you've been baptized as an infant you can still decide to become a disciple of Jesus. One doesn't exclude the other.
Jim B
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No it doesn't but if people believe they are already born again though baptism . . . .
amigo de christo
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I have read those extra books . And they seem to point us towards the catholic understanding .
They were written by men within that church . While they did have some truth in them
i saw carnal wisdom of men in it as well . It was not the same as when i read the bible .
When i read the bible i always had peace . When i read those i did not have that same peace .
And like i said , they can put lots of truths in it , but it comes with a carnal wisdom of men , not truly the Holy Spirit .
There is something else folks might not know .
But Rome knew she was losing control over her own and that the protestants , no matter how much they persecuted them ,
Were winning souls and even making converts from THE CC .
Rome knew that the peoples were wanting to read the scrips for themselves .
SO alas she does just that herself . But rest assured her new creation was not , quite as faithful as it once was .
Those extra books were taken out for a real good reason . I , by grace can tell you
that while they may have some truths , they also have some error . IT was not at all the same as reading the original bible .
THEY are not HOLY SPIRIT inspired . That is a fact . Just men who had some knowledge wrote those stories .
I would stick to the SIXTY SIX books and leave the others alone .
amigo de christo
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Let no man or woman enter the chambers of the CC .
And to those already within , i pray for your souls . I desire only good for the peoples .
So i point to the ONLY goodness and Truth that i do know . That BIBLE . OPEN IT UP and read it for yourselves .
Learn that JESUS . We have so many decievers . SO many teachers who are not truly pointing us to Christ ,
but rather to unity with a harlot . Let all who name the name of JESUS CHRIST
depart from inquity , get in those bibles , be praying and learning . THE LORD is with the lambs .
Test all things anyone does teach . And beware and be on guard , for many leaders of many faiths
are already under the influence of the harlot . THEY are very crafity and they know how to beguile souls .
THUS LEARN THOSE BIBLES . Resist them by our FAITH IN JESUS . And warn and remind as many as you can
to not enter into any false and dangerous place , nor have unity or sit at a table of both Christ and belial .
WE must go out faithful as did even the early church , as all true lambs through all generations have done .
And we are NOT ALONE as they were not alone . THE GLORIOUS LORD JESUS IS WITH US
and HE is able to keep us safe . SO LEARN that bible well . Learn and love the Truth in that bible
that GOD , the SPIRIT did inspire and learn it well .
Stay well grounded in it . Let us be praying one for another . And let none who call upon CHRIST JESUS
enter into any convenant with a Harlot . The early church bled , the lambs have bled through all ages
and my advice is , prepare to bleed and even die for CHRIST . Forgive even those who will persecute us
but DO NOT conform one ounce in their direction . WE HAVE A WONDERFUL GOOD END my friends .
SO be faithful unto death . Let us go out faithful as the lambs have done before us . FAITHFUL TO CHRIST
having all hope and all affections above on HIM .
And to those already within , i pray for your souls . I desire only good for the peoples .
So i point to the ONLY goodness and Truth that i do know . That BIBLE . OPEN IT UP and read it for yourselves .
Learn that JESUS . We have so many decievers . SO many teachers who are not truly pointing us to Christ ,
but rather to unity with a harlot . Let all who name the name of JESUS CHRIST
depart from inquity , get in those bibles , be praying and learning . THE LORD is with the lambs .
Test all things anyone does teach . And beware and be on guard , for many leaders of many faiths
are already under the influence of the harlot . THEY are very crafity and they know how to beguile souls .
THUS LEARN THOSE BIBLES . Resist them by our FAITH IN JESUS . And warn and remind as many as you can
to not enter into any false and dangerous place , nor have unity or sit at a table of both Christ and belial .
WE must go out faithful as did even the early church , as all true lambs through all generations have done .
And we are NOT ALONE as they were not alone . THE GLORIOUS LORD JESUS IS WITH US
and HE is able to keep us safe . SO LEARN that bible well . Learn and love the Truth in that bible
that GOD , the SPIRIT did inspire and learn it well .
Stay well grounded in it . Let us be praying one for another . And let none who call upon CHRIST JESUS
enter into any convenant with a Harlot . The early church bled , the lambs have bled through all ages
and my advice is , prepare to bleed and even die for CHRIST . Forgive even those who will persecute us
but DO NOT conform one ounce in their direction . WE HAVE A WONDERFUL GOOD END my friends .
SO be faithful unto death . Let us go out faithful as the lambs have done before us . FAITHFUL TO CHRIST
having all hope and all affections above on HIM .
Jim B
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Amen, the harlot(RCC) is nearly 100% unscriptural.
Check any similar ideas we have akin to the RCC as thorough as possible before teaching them.
Especially the trinity doctrine.
David in NJ
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Brakelite
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KJV Mark 7:7-13
7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
The above is a direct result of not using scripture alone for faith and practise.
David in NJ
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ELOHIM communicated to us to know HIM as being ETERNAL/SPIRIT/WORD from Genesis to Revelation.
Elohim is plural = Gods
Elohim is plural but spoken as a singular Entity because Father Son Holy Spirit are ECHAD = United/Unified ONE
John 1:1 = Genesis 1:1-3
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2Now the earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters. 3And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.
Peace
There is no such thing as a plural God.
The man Christ Jesus was there in the beginning.
He was the pattern used to create Adam(Rom 5:14).
He was even slain from the foundation of the world, first born of all created things etc....
God transcends time.
David in NJ
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David in NJ
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He was even slain from the foundation of the world, first born of all created things etc.
HE was slain from the foundation means that before HE came into the world, it was Pre-determined that HE would die for us/sins of the world.
Elohim knows the End from the Beginning
Elohim did not take on a body until the "Time came for the Father to send the Son"
I beg your pardon....
Psalm 2
7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee....
Psalm 22...
22 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?
2 O my God, I cry in the day time, but thou hearest not; and in the night season, and am not silent.
3 But thou art holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel.
4 Our fathers trusted in thee: they trusted, and thou didst deliver them.
5 They cried unto thee, and were delivered: they trusted in thee, and were not confounded.
6 But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.
7 All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying,
8 He trusted on the Lord that he would deliver him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him.
9 But thou art he that took me out of the womb: thou didst make me hope when I was upon my mother's breasts.
10 I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly.
11 Be not far from me; for trouble is near; for there is none to help.
12 Many bulls have compassed me: strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round.
13 They gaped upon me with their mouths, as a ravening and a roaring lion.
14 I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels.
15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death.
16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.
17 I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.
18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.
...like I said, God transcends time. He saw this and interacted with His son before time began.
David in NJ
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Psalm 2 again refers to "Foundation" meaning HE knows the END from the Beginning, therefore HE speaks BEFORE it comes to pass that which HIS Plan and PURPOSE IS.
Christ was NEVER created but humbled Himself to become a man for the will of Elohim(Father Son Spirit) to be done one earth as it is in Heaven.
Christ is Eternal God = Eternal Father Eternal Son Eternal Holy Spirit = ALL THREE are ONE ETERNAL ELOHIM
No, you are not getting it right.
The sacrifices from Abel to the NT were to commemorate the event that took place before the foundation of the world.
You have the sacrifices doing the trick until the future event.
This make Jesus the tail end, not the preeminent one.
So, God did not actually see Psalm 2 and Psalm 22 happen before the foundation of the world?
Was God "predicting" it instead?
Was God having to make something happen per these passages instead?
Was Jesus quoting Psalm 22 from the cross or was Psalm 22 quoting Jesus on the cross?
David in NJ
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The event(death of the Son) did not take place before the foundation of the world. But the Will of Elohim did.
ELOHIM determined what was the PLAN of Salvation BEFORE the foundation of the world and that PLAN is the SON/SALVATION who was slain (pre-determined) and is Before the foundation of the world and HE is the Foundation of ALL Things:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2He was in the beginning with God.
3All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
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