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theefaith

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Along with my many translations I have a Catholic bible which only has 12 chapters in Daniel.

Biblegateway site or app has lots of versions

Daniel 13
Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition

13 Now there was a man that dwelt in Babylon, and his name was Joakim:

2 And he took a wife whose name was Susanna, the daughter of Helcias, a very beautiful woman, and one that feared God.

3 For her parents being just, had instructed their daughter according to the law of Moses.

4 Now Joakim was very rich, and had an orchard near his house: and the Jews resorted to him, because he was the most honourable of them all.

5 And there were two of the ancients of the people appointed judges that year, of whom the Lord said: Iniquity came out from Babylon from the ancient judges, that seemed to govern the people.

6 These men frequented the house of Joakim, and all that had any matters of judgment came to them.

7 And when the people departed away at noon, Susanna went in, and walked in her husband's orchard.

8 And the old men saw her going in every day, and walking: and they were inflamed with lust towards her:

9 And they perverted their own mind and turned away their eyes that they might not look unto heaven, nor remember just judgments.

10 So they were both wounded with the love of her, yet they did not make known their grief one to the other:

11 For they were ashamed to declare to one another their lust, being desirous to have to do with her.

12 And they watched carefully every day to see her. And one said to the other:

13 Let us now go home, for it is dinner time. So going out they departed one from another.

14 And turning back again, they came both to the same place: and asking one another the cause, they acknowledged their lust; and then they agreed upon a time, when they might find her alone.

15 And it fell out, as they watched a fit day, she went in on a time, as yesterday and the day before, with two maids only, and was desirous to wash herself in the orchard: for it was hot weather.

16 And there was nobody there, but the two old men that had hid themselves and were beholding her.

17 So she said to the maids: Bring me oil, and washing balls, and shut the doors of the orchard, that I may wash me.

18 And they did as she bade them: and they shut the doors of the orchard, and went out by a back door to fetch what she had commanded them, and they knew not that the elders were hid within.

19 Now when the maids were gone forth, the two elders arose, and ran to her, and said:

20 Behold the doors of the orchard are shut, and nobody seeth us, and we are in love with thee: wherefore consent to us, and lie with us.

21 But if thou wilt not, we will bear witness against thee, that a young man was with thee, and therefore thou didst send away thy maids from thee.

22 Susanna sighed, and said: I am straitened on every side: for if I do this thing, it is death to me: and if I do it not, I shall not escape your hands.

23 But it is better for me to fall into your hands without doing it, than to sin in the sight of the Lord.

24 With that Susanna cried out with a loud voice: and the elders also cried out against her.

25 And one of them ran to the door of the orchard, and opened it.

26 So when the servants of the house heard the cry in the orchard, they rushed in by the back door to see what was the matter.

27 But after the old men had spoken, the servants were greatly ashamed: for never had there been any such word said of Susanna. And on the next day,

28 When the people were come to Joakim her husband, the two elders also came full of wicked device against Susanna, to put her to death.

29 And they said before the people: Send to Susanna daughter of Helcias the wife of Joakim. And presently they sent.

30 And she came with her parents, and children, and all her kindred.

31 Now Susanna was exceeding delicate, and beautiful to behold.

32 But those wicked men commanded that her face should be uncovered, (for she was covered,) that so at least they might be satisfied with her beauty.

33 Therefore her friends and all her acquaintance wept.

34 But the two elders rising up in the midst of the people, laid their hands upon her head.

35 And she weeping looked up to heaven, for her heart had confidence in the Lord.

36 And the elders said: As we walked in the orchard alone, this woman came in with two maids, and shut the doors of the orchard, and sent away the maids from her.

37 Then a young man that was there hid came to her, and lay with her.

38 But we that were in a corner of the orchard, seeing this wickedness, ran up to them, and we saw them lie together.

39 And him indeed we could not take, because he was stronger than us, and opening the doors he leaped out:

40 But having taken this woman, we asked who the young man was, but she would not tell us: of this thing we are witnesses.

41 The multitude believed them as being the elders and the judges of the people, and they condemned her to death.

42 Then Susanna cried out with a loud voice, and said: O eternal God, who knowest hidden things, who knowest all things before they come to pass,

43 Thou knowest that they have borne false witness against me: and behold I must die, whereas I have done none of these things, which these men have maliciously forged against me.

44 And the Lord heard her voice.

45 And when she was led to be put to death, the Lord raised up the holy spirit of a young boy, whose name was Daniel.

46 And he cried out with a loud voice I am clear from the blood of this woman.

47 Then all the people turning themselves towards him, said: What meaneth this word that thou hast spoken?

48 But he standing in the midst of them, said: Are ye so foolish, ye children of Israel, that without examination or knowledge of the truth, you have condemned a daughter of Israel?

49 Return to judgment, for they have borne false witness against her.

50 So all the people turned again in haste, and the old men said to him: Come, and sit thou down among us, and shew it us: seeing God hath given thee the honour of old age.

51 And Daniel said to the people: Separate these two far from one another, and I will examine them.

52 So when they were put asunder one from the other, he called one of them, and said to him: O thou that art grown old in evil days, now are thy sins come out, which thou hast committed before:

53 In judging unjust judgments, oppressing the innocent, and letting the guilty to go free, whereas the Lord saith: The innocent and the just thou shalt not kill.

54 Now then, if thou sawest her, tell me under what tree thou sawest them conversing together. He said: Under a mastic tree.

55 And Daniel said: Well hast thou lied against thy own head: for behold the angel of God having received the sentence of him, shall cut thee in two.

56 And having put him aside, he commanded that the other should come, and he said to him: O thou seed of Chanaan, and not of Juda, beauty hath deceived thee, and lust hath perverted thy heart:

57 Thus did you do to the daughters of Israel, and they for fear conversed with you: but a daughter of Juda would not abide your wickedness.

58 Now therefore tell me, under what tree didst thou take them conversing together. And he answered: Under a holm tree.

59 And Daniel said to him: Well hast thou also lied against thy own head: for the angel of the Lord waiteth with a sword to cut thee in two, and to destroy you.

60 With that all the assembly cried out with a loud voice, and they blessed God, who saveth them that trust in him.

61 And they rose up against the two elders, (for Daniel had convicted them of false witness by their own mouth,) and they did to them as they had maliciously dealt against their neighbour,

62 To fulfill the law of Moses: and they put them to death, and innocent blood was saved in that day.

63 But Helcias and his wife praised God, for their daughter Susanna, with Joakim her husband, and all her kindred, because there was no dishonesty found in her.

64 And Daniel became great in the sight of the people from that day, and thenceforward.

65 And king Astyages was gathered to his fathers, and Cyrus the Persian received his kingdom.
 

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You are being led by the spirit of error.

matt 28:19
Jn 4:1
Disciple s by baptism

Jn 3:22 the did not go around preaching accept Christ
Give your heart to Christ
But to the river where there was water for baptism and they baptized!!!!!!!
 

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matt 28:19
Jn 4:1
Disciple s by baptism
John 4:1
Now Jesus learned that the Pharisees had heard that he was gaining and baptizing more disciples than John—

If you read it properly it says Jesus was gaining disciples - followers - and then baptising these followers. It does not say that the baptism made them disciples, In order to be baptised in the true sense you first must become a follower. Infants cannot become followers until they are an age to make the decision to follow - nobody can make it for them so their baptisms are null and void. As if they had never been baptised. It's very sad that all these people have been robbed of the chance to choose to be disciples.
 
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Ah, you missed my edit in post 778. I don't count the apocrypha as part of my bible.

what makes it apocrypha?

why is Dan 12 inspired scripture and Dan 13 not inspired scripture

and how do you know the difference???
 

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what makes it apocrypha?

why is Dan 12 inspired scripture and Dan 13 not inspired scripture

and how do you know the difference???
I know that the apocrypha is only part of a Catholic bible. So it's books were not deemed authentic enough to be included with the 66 which make up a normal bible.
 

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John 4:1
Now Jesus learned that the Pharisees had heard that he was gaining and baptizing more disciples than John—

If you read it properly it says Jesus was gaining disciples - followers - and then baptising these followers. It does not say that the baptism made them disciples, In order to be baptised in the true sense you first must become a follower. Infants cannot become followers until they are an age to make the decision to follow - nobody can make it for them so their baptisms are null and void. As if they had never been baptised. It's very sad that all these people have been robbed of the chance to choose to be disciples.

read Jn 3:22 they did not go around preach accept Christ or give your heart to Christ but
They went to the river and baptized making disciples
 

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read Jn 3:22 they did not go around preach accept Christ or give your heart to Christ but
They went to the river and baptized making disciples
What do you think they did when they left everything and followed him. They gave their lives to him and that is still what is required of his followers today.
 

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I know that the apocrypha is only part of a Catholic bible. So it's books were not deemed authentic enough to be included with the 66 which make up a normal bible.

by who’s authority?

dan 13 was scripture from the time of the cannon in 381 till the kjv boy’s deleted it negating the word of God
 

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by who’s authority?

dan 13 was scripture from the time of the cannon in 381 till the kjv boy’s deleted it negating the word of God
Excuse me, you are the expert, how do you not know 'by whose authority'.
 

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Yet when JAMES was writing to the church . He said confess your faults one to another .
Any lamb can confess his fault to another lamb . Rome takes advantage of everything .
As i said in my above statement , they love to feel powerful , they love to have the pre emience
they love to be called reverand and holy father , and etc .
THEY love to have men adore them and exalt them .
YET what did paul said , when he was rebuking the corithian church , HE said you ALLOW A MAN TO Exalt Himself .
NOT on my watch . MEN are just men , LET GOD be exalted , LET CHRIST be exalted
let us simply be thankful that GOD in his wonderous mercy and grace has given us hope in Christ .
But this is not the case with the CC , and it aint just the CC either .
MEN have loved to have the pre eminence . And by golly they know how to twist scripture to GET that worship they so desire of men .
But as for the lambs we shall SEEK ONLY THE LORD . and we shall test all leaders and shall watch out for one another
and we shall point to CHRIST as the only means of salvation .
James was speaking of if we offend our brother to say we are sorry.

The RCC priest wants to know all our dirty little secrets.
 
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Always remember this as well . One cannot have both a harlot for a mother and heavenly jerusalem .
Their will cling to the harlot and hate the true teachings inspired from above .
YE cannot sit at the table of a harlot and the table of Christ . We cannot partake of darkness and of light .
WE must make a choice . AND thus i will leave us with these words .
COME YE OUT FROM AMONGST THEM , BE YE HOLY , TOUCH NOT the unclean thing
and GOD will be a FATHER UNTO YOU . Its very clear that we cannot partake
of the table of Christ and the table of belial and of darkness . CHOOSE YE THIS DAY MY PEOPLES
whom ye shall serve , whether the precepts and doctrine of men gone wrong
or of the Doctrine of CHRIST and the true apostels . AS FOR THE LAMBS WE CHOOSE CHRIST .
Amen.

Only one spiritual mama.
 
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only one church Jn 10:16 founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles Matt 16:18-19 and 18:18 Jn 20:21-23 eph 2:29

Questions about Jesus, Peter, and the keys!

How can Jesus be the builder and the church being built?

If Christ is the rock:

1) Why does Christ even mention Peter?

2) Why did Christ change Peter’s name? (Indicating an office or ministry, similar to Abram & Jacob)

3) Why did Christ give the keys to Peter? (and only to Peter) keys of jurisdictional authority. (Refer to Isa 22:21-22)

4) Why does Christ identify peter with himself! Matt 17:27
Where is the coin for the other apostles?

5) Why is Peter commanded to feed Christ’s sheep (the other apostles) and the lambs? (The people)
Jn 21:17

If Peter’s confession is the rock:

1) How do you govern the church and administer the kingdom with a confession?

2) How do you give jurisdictional authority to a confession? (Keys of the kingdom)

3) How do you give a confession the power to bind and loose?
The original, early church was founded by Jesus and the Apostles in Acts 2.

The RCC was founded by Constantine 300 years later.

The RCC stomped out the Acts 2:38 church.

You have quite a heritage, Catholic.
 

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James was speaking of if we offend our brother to say we are sorry.

The RCC priest wants to know all our dirty little secrets.
That is the pattern JESUS set . If any offends the other , take it to your brother , IF he repents amen , if not
then bring two more witnesses , if they still wont repent take it before the church and if they wont repent
then cast them out , TILL they do repent .
Its a real simple pattern JESUS set . As for the CC , yeah they have you sin even more after confessing
Ever notice they often say , say so many HAIL MARYS and etc . I would not follow their pattern at all .
We can simply confess our faults to one another and pray for one another that we may be healed .