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Anyone listening to that junk will fall in a ditch, it goes so far away... from the actual written Bible Scripture.
God's words are very clear and before the forums eyes, (Deceive The Nations) is interpreted in the context of scripture in verse 8 below (Deceive The Nations) is gathering them to battle, simple, clear, and before the forums eyes to see, your in denial of this fact before your eyes

Deceive The Nation's isn't general evil in the world, its confined to Deceiving The Nations In Gathering Them To Battle

Revelation 20:1-9KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
 
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I do believe I've answered this, even if your petulance won't allow you to see it.
Just the opposite as Israelite has shown you several times, Jesus has translated all the saved church from the kingdom of darkness into his present kingdom, your in complete denial of the Lord's kingdom on this earth presently, where Jesus is presently "King" of this "Kingdom"

Colossians 1:12-13KJV
12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
 
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Just the opposite as Israelite has shown you several times, Jesus has translated all the saved church from the kingdom of darkness into his present kingdom, your in complete denial of the Lord's kingdom on this earth presently


The translating people into his kingdom is spiritual, not literal. Jesus was clear his kingdom was not here on Earth yet:

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Amill claims the opposite, that the Kingdom is of this world. Christ disagrees.


Christ knew his kingdom and reign here starts when he returned at the 7th trump.

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
 

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The translating people into his kingdom is spiritual, not literal. Jesus was clear his kingdom was not here on Earth yet:

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Amill claims the opposite, that the Kingdom is of this world. Christ disagrees.


Christ knew his kingdom and reign here starts when he returned at the 7th trump.

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Your ignorant of the facts, I never claimed the Lord's kingdom was earthly of this world

The Lord's Kingdom is "Spiritual" and he's translated his Church from the dark spiritual kingdom of Satan into his spiritual kingdom of Light that is alive and present through his church on earth, with Jesus being the King presently sitting at the right hand of the father

To claim the Kingdom of Jesus Isn't presently alive is heresy in my opinion, God the Holy Spirit lives within the human bodies of the Church upon this earth

Satan presently has a spiritual Kingdom and Jesus Christ presently has a spiritual kingdom, and they are present and active upon this earth currently

Satan's Kingdom Darkness = Unsaved Wicked

Jesus Kingdom Light = Saved Church
 
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Same thing. The kingdom will exist on Earth someday but not yet. It is a future kingdom.
There won't be a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as you and others falsely claim, Jesus returns in fire and final judgement dissolving this earth by fire (The End) as you've been show several times in your denial of this fact

You deny the biblical fact that Jesus returns in literal fire and destruction of the wicked seen below in Luke 17:29-30, I really don't take your opinions or interpretations seriously to be honest, as you're in denial of the simplest of biblical truth's seen below

We're the wicked destroyed in Sodom and Gomorrah by literal fire and brimstone from the Lord out of heaven, 100% Yes!

Will the wicked be destroyed by literal fire at the Lord Jesus second coming seen below 100% Yes!

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
 
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There won't be a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as you and others falsely claim


Both Amill and Premill disagree with you. Amill believes the Mill is happening now on the Earth, and Premill believes it will happen at the second coming.

SDA agrees with you though.
 

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Both Amill and Premill disagree with you. Amill believes the Mill is happening now on the Earth, and Premill believes it will happen at the second coming.

SDA agrees with you though.
You falsely believe and teach Jesus returns to start a mortal Millennial Kingdom on this earth 100% "False" as the scripture below clearly teaches when Jesus comes it will be (Then Cometh The End)

Many just don't want to let go of their little pet 1,000 year kingdom on this earth that doesn't exist in scripture

Paul clearly taught that when Jesus returns the resurrection of the dead takes place, (Then Cometh The End) its that simple (The End) not a 1,000 year kingdom on this earth as many "Falsely" claim


1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end
, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The scripture above is in perfect agreement with Jesus being revealed in fire and brimstone as seen below (Then Cometh The End) as all the unsaved wicked are destroyed at the Lord's return

(Destroyed Them All)


Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.


The resurrection of "All" is seen below and the wicked are judged to eternal damnation, this is when the "Final Judgement" takes place (The End)


John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth
; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Jesus clearly taught that the resurrection of "All" takes place on "The Last Day" this is in perfect agreement with the scripture above

John 6:39-40KJV

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
 
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Both Amill and Premill disagree with you. Amill believes the Mill is happening now on the Earth, and Premill believes it will happen at the second coming.

SDA agrees with you though.
Once Again

You deny the biblical fact that Jesus returns in literal fire and destruction of the wicked seen below in Luke 17:29-30, I really don't take your opinions or interpretations seriously to be honest, as you're in denial of the simplest of biblical truth's seen below

We're the wicked destroyed in Sodom and Gomorrah by literal fire and brimstone from the Lord out of heaven, 100% Yes!

Will the wicked be destroyed by literal fire at the Lord Jesus second coming seen below 100% Yes!

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
 

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No, you can’t maintain context. The events are about what John sees concerning the time of the sixth king and the judgment of the harlot Babylon. He is not moving from that perspective. He looks back to the five fallen kings and looks forward when one of them rises to war with Christ at his return.

I’ve said several time the scarlet beast ascends out of the abyss, but you refuse to answer, insomuch as you hold the sixth king as the “Roman emperor Domitian,” how does the antichrist reign before Domitian? You still refuse to answer that.

And it can’t be Satan because it wouldn’t be helpful in solving the riddle because he WAS before all the kings.

Don't fret about it, eventually you will understand that idea of the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit can only be about Satan himself. I probably shouldn't have brought it up to you, as your eyes God has closed on that, and you are not alone. Press on.
 

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Just the opposite as Israelite has shown you several times, Jesus has translated all the saved church from the kingdom of darkness into his present kingdom, your in complete denial of the Lord's kingdom on this earth presently, where Jesus is presently "King" of this "Kingdom"

Colossians 1:12-13KJV
12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
Right. You have to question if someone is even a Christian if they deny that He is currently their King.
 

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Both Amill and Premill disagree with you. Amill believes the Mill is happening now on the Earth, and Premill believes it will happen at the second coming.

SDA agrees with you though.
You are purposely misrepresenting his view because you are a liar like that. He specifically said "Satan has a spiritual Kingdom and Jesus Christ has a spiritual kingdom, and they are present and active upon this earth currently" and here you are saying that he doesn't believe the Mill is happening now on the earth, which is not something that he has ever said. Instead, he's saying it won't happen after Christ returns as Premills believe.
 

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Your ignorant of the facts, I never claimed the Lord's kingdom was earthly of this world
He keeps blatantly lying about what you believe. You never said that His kingdom is not on this earth at all. You only have said that it's not an earthly kingdom of this world (earthly kingdoms of this world are evil and against God) and it's a spiritual kingdom instead, which is the truth. How can he live with himself after blatantly lying the way he does? Does he have no conscience? Apparently not.

The Lord's Kingdom is "Spiritual" and he's translated his Church from the dark spiritual kingdom of Satan into his spiritual kingdom of Light that is alive and present through his church on earth, with Jesus being the King presently sitting at the right hand of the father

To claim the Kingdom of Jesus Isn't presently alive is heresy in my opinion, God the Holy Spirit lives within the human bodies of the Church upon this earth

Satan presently has a spiritual Kingdom and Jesus Christ presently has a spiritual kingdom, and they are present and active upon this earth currently

Satan's Kingdom Darkness = Unsaved Wicked

Jesus Kingdom Light = Saved Church
Even after you specifically said here that Christ's kingdom is active upon this earth currently he still tries to say that you don't believe the millennial kingdom is on the earth. That's just a blatant lie. What is wrong with this guy that he thinks blatantly lying about what people believe is acceptable?
 
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There won't be a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as you and others falsely claim, Jesus returns in fire and final judgement dissolving this earth by fire (The End) as you've been show several times in your denial of this fact

You deny the biblical fact that Jesus returns in literal fire and destruction of the wicked seen below in Luke 17:29-30, I really don't take your opinions or interpretations seriously to be honest, as you're in denial of the simplest of biblical truth's seen below

We're the wicked destroyed in Sodom and Gomorrah by literal fire and brimstone from the Lord out of heaven, 100% Yes!

Will the wicked be destroyed by literal fire at the Lord Jesus second coming seen below 100% Yes!

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
Absolutely. Jesus would not have said that it will be like what happened in Sodom if He didn't mean it. And Sodom was destroyed by literal fire. As Jesus said "Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.". The destruction that will happen when He comes again will be by fire as well, as shown in 2 Peter 3:10-12, and that is why Paul said He will be revealed "in flaming fire taking vengeance" on His enemies (2 Thess 1:7-8).
 
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@Jerry Huerta ..

(Dan 2:40) The fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron, because iron breaks in pieces and subdues all things; and as iron that crushes all these, shall it break in pieces and crush.

(Dan 2:41) Then you saw the feet and toes, part of potters’ clay, and part of iron, that shall be a divided kingdom; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, because you saw the iron mixed with miry clay.

(Dan 2:42) As the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.

(Dan 2:43) Whereas you saw the iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men; but they shall not cling to one another, even as iron does not mingle with clay.

(Dan 2:44) In the days of those kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed, nor shall its sovereignty be left to another people; it shall crush to powder and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever.

(Dan 2:45) As you saw that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it broke in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God has made known to the king what shall happen hereafter: and the dream is certain, and its interpretation sure.


The base or feet of the iron 2-legged kingdom - 4th Beast, is the Roman Empire. This 'last' kingdom eventually stood and fell (began its decline) based on 10 kings and their given resources in terms of manpower and weaponry, of the last of the Caesar dynasties and rulers of Rome until Christ establishes his Kingdom in heaven and on the earth.

This was all completed by 70 AD.

The kings or Caesars during that time were a mixture of weak and strong leaders with more and more conscripts for war and unwilling forces of slaves.

And these ten leaders of the Roman Kingdom were:

The red beast of the Roman empire had 7 heads and 10 horns. These heads of the beast represent the 10 emperors or Caesars since Julius. The 7 heads are also the 7 hills where Roman is seated.

1 – Julius – 44 BC (the 1st head of the red Beast)

2- Augustus – 27 BC

3 – Tiberius – 14 AD

4 – Caligula – 37 AD

5 – Claudius – 41 AD

6 – Nero – 54 AD

7 – Galba – 68 AD

8 – Otho – 68 AD

9 – Vitellius – 68 AD

10 – Vespasian – 69 AD

11 – Titus – 79 AD

12 – Domitian – 81 AD to 96 AD


The 1st 6 Emperors are of the Caesar Dynasty.

In Rev 13:3, the 6th Emperor or one of the heads of the red beast had a fatal wound and caused the Beast to become dead in the process. Nero commits suicide and there was no designated hand-off ruler, so chaos ensued. The next 3 Emperors (7th 8th and 9th) came to power in the midst of this civil war in Rome and the Beast Kingdom was now fighting for its life. Each of them only lasted in power for months as temporary rulers.

The mortal wound caused by Nero that affected the life of the Beast was healed with the 10th Caesar, Vespasian. Rome as the red Beast was revived to life.

Out of Nero’s deadhead, emerged two new 2 heads in his place, of the Flavian Dynasty – Vespasian and Titus his son. See Rev 13.....

Again, Iron is a strong material used extensively in the Roman armies. The Roman Empire after the fall of its Republic was a military conqueror first. Then eventually since Julius Caesar, as a byproduct of their conquests, they increasingly built their Empire of and with clay.

Iron and the clay intermingled represented the condition of the Roman Empire’s underpinning. Its footing or foundation of the Roman Empire was based on both strength and weakness of leadership of the 10 Roman Caesars and the fragility of human slave labor. On one hand it had invincible armies wearing and using modern technologies with commanders of strength and boldness. On the other hand it was reliant on slaves for the maintenance of their influence and widespread geographical power. It was a slave- based society composed of many cultures and ethnic groups, used in all capacities as tools for their industry and livelihood, used in both civilian and military life. At the height of the Roman Empire at the turn of the 2nd century there was estimates that between 30 – 40 percent of the people living in Rome were slaves and another 10-20 percent within their conquered territories.

When Christ ascended to heaven, he established the Kingdom of his Father and caused the feet of the image to break and fall to cause it to topple, and to become as chaff and be blown away; to disappear for good. The Kingdom that brought the gospel travelled far and wide and became a large mountain indeed, surpassing in power all the human kingdoms of the past.

The power of God established his new Kingdom in heaven and within his believers on the earth. This was the cause and reason of the Son of God, of his creation, ministry of sin repentance, his death and resurrection to new life.

The Kingdom initially spread out from Jerusalem and Judea and consumed all the nations of the then-known world by the end of 1st century, where all these four Kingdoms (Beasts) rules at one time.

Ever since this heavenly Kingdom was established in the generation between 30 - 70 AD, this last earthly 4th Kingdom of the Roman Empire began to slowly decrease in power and influence although it zenith was not until around 117 AD.

The Kingdom of God continued to spread upon the earth since that time and is immovable by anyone, regardless of the number of new converts in Christ, in each future generation.

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Isn't scripture supposed to interpret scripture. Somewhere scripture says I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times what is to come. So let's start with Genesis.
I think we should be looking to scripture more and history less. So a wee peak at Ishmaels blessing says, He will be a wild donkey of a man, his hand will be against everyone, and everyone's hand against him, and he shall live in hostility towards all his brothers, you know those Jewish people, bit like we're seeing today, the brothers of Isaac and Jacob battling it out with Ishmael and Esau. Same in Rebekahs womb. Seems almost like it was a family battle then, and a family battle now. 22 countries surround Israel, all Islamic all loathing the younger brother. Esaus bless from Isaac, the older will serve the younger, and when you grow restless, you will throw his yoke from off your neck.

Seems like Esau is getting restless. Get ready to watch the goat charge the ram.
And so far not a Roman in site.