Babylon

[Spiritual Israelite]

Lol, That was easy, dropped the bait and you swallowed it hook, line, and sinker

Of course I don't believe that garbage, but it was all smiles reading your response, little humor is a good thing

"Gotcha"!

LOL. You are a prankster. That was a good one. Is that something Jerry Huerta had said and you copied that? It all seems like things he would say.

 

[Truth7t7]

LOL. You are a prankster. That was a good one. Is that something Jerry Huerta had said and you copied that? It all seems like things he would say.

Soul sleep is from the cult of (Ellen G. White) in 7th Day Adventism, just one of the many false teachings of Ellen, they also believe in the false teaching of a Millennial Kingdom on earth that doesn't exist in scripture

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Soul sleep is from the cult of (Ellen G. White) in 7th Day Adventism, just one of the many false teachings of Ellen, they also believe in the false teaching of a Millennial Kingdom on earth that doesn't exist in scripture

Right. But, unlike most Premills, they think that the earth will be desolate during the thousand years which is one of the strangest beliefs I've ever seen about anything.

 

[The Light]

Wow! How you CONTRADICT YOURSELF!

You can't have it both ways, either Lord Jesus is The Morning Star, or Nimrod is The Morning Star, because the 'morning star' is what that Hebrew word 'heylel' means!

I can see how some brethren get confused about God calling the devil the 'morning star' (heylel) there in Isaiah 14:12, but your Biblical illiteracy truly takes the cake on that.

Isa 14:12
12 “How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star (Hebrew heylel), son of Dawn!
ESV

There's the English Standard Version Bible that many use. The ASV, Lexham English Bible, The Message Bible, New Heart English Bible, New Living Translation, World English Bible, Young's Literal Translation, even the NIV, they all translate to the idea of 'morning star' instead of "Lucifer" with that translation of Hebrew heylel.

God's Message there is how when Lucifer first rebelled in the 'old world', he wanted to be The GOD and worshiped in place of GOD. And that also means the devil wanted to be as The Morning Star, i.e,. GOD The Son. It's because Jesus is... GOD and The Morning Star is one of His Titles per Revelation 22. Thus God was mocking Lucifer there, using Lucifer's own claim against him.

I see you were unable to address my post #294

Is Satan a man?

The Word of God continually proves you are in error regarding end times.

I guess it's time to run Davy.

Run Davy, RUN!

 

[The Light]

Answer my question.

WHY... do you REJECT that Bible Scripture about Satan as that beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit?

Satan is not in the bottomless pit.

 

[Jay Ross]

Satan is not in the bottomless pit.

You need to qualify the timing of this claim as to when it is true.

From my perspective, I agree with your statement as being true today, but in around 20 years from now, Satan will reside in the Bottomless pit for 1,000 solar years after which he will remain free for a little while period, probably for around 24 solar years, before he is dispatched into the Lake of Fire.

Shalom

PS: - When Satan is released from the Bottomless Pit after he has spent 1,000 solar years in the Bottomless Pit, he will ascend from out of the Bottomless Pit to rage and pass over the face of the earth.

 

[Truth7t7]

You need to qualify the timing of this claim as to when it is true.

From my perspective, I agree with your statement as being true today, but in around 20 years from now, Satan will reside in the Bottomless pit for 1,000 solar years after which he will remain free for a little while period, probably for around 24 solar years, before he is dispatched into the Lake of Fire.

Shalom

PS: - When Satan is released from the Bottomless Pit after he has spent 1,000 solar years in the Bottomless Pit, he will ascend from out of the Bottomless Pit to rage and pass over the face of the earth

Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?

"Deceive The Nations" To Battle

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming

If A Tribulation Saint Were To Die One Day Before The Second Coming, He Enters Into The Non-Literal 1,000 Year Reign

Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently.

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

 

[Jay Ross]

Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?

"Deceive The Nations" To Battle

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming

If A Tribulation Saint Were To Die One Day Before The Second Coming, He Enters Into The Non-Literal 1,000 Year Reign

Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently.

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

Truth 7t7, you are welcome to present what you believe is true, but Rev 16:12-16 is presently unfolding at this present time, and the Kings of the earth will be gathered, in around 20 years' time, at the place called Armageddon, to be judged for their involvement in the Little Horns trampling of God's Sanctuary and His Earthly Hosts. Isaiah 24:21-22 is another reference to the judgement of the kings of the earth and this judgement takes place at the same time as the heavenly hosts, including Satan and the beasts, i.e. the winds of heaven, are judged in heaven and together they will be imprisoned for many days, i.e. for 1,000 solar years, to await the time of their punishment.

Now, 1,000 years after the Isaiah 24:21-22 prophecy is fulfilled, Satan and the other heavenly hosts and the judged kings of the earth will be released from the Bottomless Pit during the little while period of around 24 years when we will see Rev 20:7-10 unfold.

My understanding of the End Times is very different from your muddled picture that you present as your truth.

Shalom

 

[Truth7t7]

My understanding of the End Times is very different from your muddled picture that you present as your truth.

It appears your looking into a mirror of truth

Jesus returns in fire and final judgement (The End)

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[Jay Ross]

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

Your claim that Satan is Loosed at the end of the Tribulation, when the 6th Bowl is poured out as seen in Rev 16:12-16 to gather the kings of the earth to the final battle, suggests to me that your understanding is that the 6th Bowl judgement is a distant future event, whereas I am suggesting, that in all probability, the 6th bowl judgement is presently unfolding during this present time.

The 9/11 event was when we saw the three frog like spirits perform signs and wonders for all of the earth to see to start the drawing of the kings of the earth to the place called Armageddon. Yet you have linked the gathering of the kings of the earth at Armageddon to after Satan is released from the bottomless pit after being imprisoned for 1,000 years.

Your rebuttal of: -

It appears you're looking into a mirror of truth

makes no sense and is a false argument with no substance to establish that your claim is even true.

 

[Truth7t7]

The 9/11 event was when we saw the three frog like spirits perform signs and wonders for all of the earth to see to start the drawing of the kings of the earth to the place called Armageddon.

The antichrist hasn't been revealed to the world yet,, your claim is false

Yet you have linked the gathering of the kings of the earth at Armageddon to after Satan is released from the bottomless pit after being imprisoned for 1,000 years.

Your rebuttal of: -

makes no sense and is a false argument with no substance to establish that your claim is even true.

It's my opinion your claims are false

 

[ewq1938]

Soul sleep is from the cult of (Ellen G. White) in 7th Day Adventism, just one of the many false teachings of Ellen, they also believe in the false teaching of a Millennial Kingdom on earth that doesn't exist in scripture

You don't know their beliefs. They believe the Millennium is only in heaven, while the Earth is empty except for satan and his angels but they believe all humans are dead during that time. They are wrong on all this, as wrong as you are on their beliefs and wrong in your own beliefs.

 

[Jay Ross]

The antichrist hasn't been revealed to the world yet,, your claim is false

Your timeline does not match what the scriptures reveal, yet you are willing to claim that my position is false.

It's my opinion your claims are false

Even so, just because it is your opinion, that does not make your opinion true and my position false. You have provided no evidence to back up your claims.

We will have to wait for the claimed events to unfold before we can determine whose POV is closest to what the scriptures have presented as to what our future holds.

 

[Truth7t7]

Your timeline does not match what the scriptures reveal, yet you are willing to claim that my position is false.



Even so, just because it is your opinion, that does not make your opinion true and my position false. You have provided no evidence to back up your claims.

We will have to wait for the claimed events to unfold before we can determine whose POV is closest to what the scriptures have presented as to what our future holds.

None of the literal plagues in the 1st thru 5th vials have been seen upon the earth, as you claim the 6th vial took place in the 9-11-2001 attack in New York "Wrong"

Where are those that have the mark of the beast been seen, its going to be openly and global Revelation chapter 13, Where has the noisome sore been seen globally upon those who have the mark seen in the 1st vial Rev 16:2 below?

Your claims the 6th vial has taken place in the 9/11/2001 attack in New York is false in my opinion

The beast is given power for 42 literal months as seen in Revelation 13:4-5 below, all seven vials are poured out in this future 42 month time frame the beast has power on earth, your time line and claims are "fictional"

Revelation 13:4-5KJV
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

Revelation 16:1-17KJV
1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

 

[Jay Ross]

None of the literal plagues in the 1st thru 5th vials have been seen upon the earth, as you claim the 6th vial took place in the 9-11-2001 attack in New York "Wrong"

Where are those that have the mark of the beast been seen, its going to be openly and global Revelation chapter 13, Where has the noisome sore been seen globally upon those who have the mark seen in the 1st vial Rev 16:2 below?

Your claims the 6th vial has taken place in the 9/11/2001 attack in New York is false in my opinion

The beast is given power for 42 literal months as seen in Revelation 13:4-5 below, all seven vials are poured out in this future 42 month time frame the beast has power on earth, your time line and claims are "fictional"

From where I have positioned my understanding of the Rev 16 bowl judgements, and your position based upon a literal interpretation of how the bowl judgement have been presented in the chapter, I would suggest that no conclusion as to who has presented what the scriptures state can be determined.

It is my understanding that the 7th Bowl judgement unfolded during the 20th century based upon the historical events referred to in the 7th Bowl Judgement which we can say happened, WW1 and WW2, the remembering of Babylon before God, the partitioning of Jerusalem into three area with respect to the Temple's location, etc. which confirms when the 7th Bowl judgement occurred.

I would argue that the 6th bowl judgement is unfolding before us with the 9/11 event confirming the signs and wonders that was done by the three frog like spirits and transmitted all over the world for all the people of the earth to see live on TV. What we are seeing unfolding at this present time is the drawing of the kings of the earth to gather at Armageddon in the near future, around 20 years from now, to trample God's earthly hosts one last time before the completion of the allotted 2,300 solar years for the Little Horn to use the armies he has been given and will be given to trample God's sanctuary and His earth hosts.

The voice of public opinion is presently rising up against the people of Israel and we will see that the kings of the earth will soon agree to rise up against the nation of Israel by assembling at Armageddon.

Now if the kings of the earth do not begin to assemble at Armageddon as prophesied in the 6th Bowl judgement in around 20 years' time from now, then I will willingly admit that I am wrong in my understanding of the end times, but until then you are not in a position to claim that my understanding is "fictional" based upon you own understanding of the end time. The evidence is just not there IMHO.

Let us just be patient and allow God's prophetic words to unfold before our very eyes.

 

[Truth7t7]

It is my understanding that the 7th Bowl judgement unfolded during the 20th century based upon the historical events referred to in the 7th Bowl Judgement which we can say happened, WW1 and WW2, the remembering of Babylon before God, the partitioning of Jerusalem into three area with respect to the Temple's location, etc. which confirms when the 7th Bowl judgement occurred.

I Strongly Disagree

The 7th vial is the end of this world "It Is Done"

The 7th Vial and 7th Trump are the same event in parallel teachings (The End)

Revelation 16:17KJV
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

 

[Jay Ross]

I Strongly Disagree

The 7th vial is the end of this world "It Is Done"

The 7th Vial and 7th Trump are the same event in parallel teachings (The End)

Revelation 16:17KJV
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

Remember I said this in my last post: -

Now if the kings of the earth do not begin to assemble at Armageddon as prophesied in the 6th Bowl judgement in around 20 years' time from now, then I will willingly admit that I am wrong in my understanding of the end times, but until then you are not in a position to claim that my understanding is "fictional" based upon you own understanding of the end time. The evidence is just not there IMHO.

Let us just be patient and allow God's prophetic words to unfold before our very eyes.

Let us both be patient and allow God to show us His prophetic words as they unfold over time without thumping our chests claiming that only our respective understanding is right without the unfolding outcomes being revealed yet.

 

[Jerry Huerta]

Answer my question.

WHY... do you REJECT that Bible Scripture about Satan as that beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit?

Nah... you got that idea backwards.

I well understand the Rev.17:8-14 Scripture because God's Word reveals that the final Antichrist will be the "dragon" himself, which is another one of Satan's titles. That is who ASCENDS OUT OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT for the future "great tribulation". You were told that by Christ in Rev.12:7 forward, and Rev.17:8 and Rev.17:11 is pointing to that Biblical fact again. You simply are not... listening to Christ in His Word about that.

Lord Jesus showed you in Revelation 11:7 and told you this too, with that beast ascending out of the bottomless pit to kill God's "two witnesses" in Jerusalem at the end just prior to Christ's future return.

So you do not believe there is any such beast that will ascend out of the bottomless pit, huh?

Why do you reject God's written Word on that point? Who has bewitched you against that?

NOPE! The 8th king comes AFTER... the 7th king. You show you can't even count! Duh... the number 8 comes AFTER.... the number 7. It's as simple as that.

The 6th beast king was in Apostle John's day, and the 7th beast king had not yet come. That 7th beast king still... has NOT yet come to this day. That 7th one WILL BE the final Antichrist of this present world in the FINAL GENERATION on earth that will see Christ's future coming. And Apostle Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2 showed that Christ will destroy that 7th beast king with the brightness of His coming, which means the last day of this present world.

So again, WHY... do you reject that Revelation 17:8 phrase about that beast ascending out of the bottomless pit?

Rev 17:8
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
KJV

Rev 17:11
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
KJV

Rev 11:7
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
KJV

Rev 9:11
11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
KJV

His name "Apollyon" is from the Greek word for PERDITION. That is SATAN himself described as that "king" and angel of the bottomless pit.


WHY... are you against that simple Bible Scripture revelation by Christ Jesus?

Again, for the challenged, each one of the fallen kings WAS AND IS NOT,

Revelation 17
10 they are also seven kings, five of whom have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come, and when he does come he must remain only a little while.

When it says five are fallen, it means that each one of the five kings WAS, AND IS NOT, and affirms the eighth is one of the fallen five, not the sixth, or the seventh, but one of the five that had fallen. The sixth king is said to be the one that IS, which means it is reigning while the eighth WAS AND IS NOT.

That means the antichrist is one of the five that are fallen that rises out of the abyss to become the eighth.

Insomuch as you hold the sixth king as the “Roman emperor Domitian,” how does the antichrist reign before Domitian? You still refuse to answer that.

And it can’t be Satan because it wouldn’t be helpful in solving the riddle, insomuch as he WAS before all the kings.

 

[Jerry Huerta]

You're just way too sharp for me today.

There are no premils in the Wiki list.

Your cultic faux futurized historicism is as dispensational as cultic dispensational futurism.

You've been "cultivated" by Darby & Scofield.

Josheph Mede was a historicist and Premillennialist. Obviously, you aren’t bright enough to know historical premillennialism predated dispensationalism and that’s what the Wiki cite relates to the wise.

 

[Jerry Huerta]

You must be dumb (not able to speak) because you never said that specifically before. You must be spiritually blind to not believe that He is reigning as King now because scripture says that we have been delivered from spiritual darkness and translated into His kingdom (Colossians 1:12-13) and that His kingdom does not come with observation (Luke 17:20) and is not of this world (John 18:36).


He returns to judge on His throne. That does not mean He is not on His throne now. Is He not your King right now? He's mine.


It's silly for you to call a story that refers to real people and places a parable. Jesus's parables did not contain references to real people and places. In His parables He referenced fictitious people and places to illustrate things about real people and places.

Regardless, Jesus portrayed dead people as having consciousness in Luke 16:19-31. Why would He do that if they don't actually have consciousness?

When scripture talks about putting on immortality, it talks about the body (1 Corinthians 15) being changed to put on immortality at the last trumpet when Jesus returns. Where does it say that the change that takes place at the last trumpet involves the soul and spirit putting on immortality at that time?


LOL. Nonsense. Peter, James and John were there with Jesus in real time and He was transfigured before them. Just before that happened, He was talking to Moses and Elijah. Your attempts to twist the scripture to fit your doctrine are ridiculous.


Them being under the altar is symbolic, but the point is that John saw the souls of dead martyrs and portrayed them as being conscious. Why would he do that if they are not actually conscious? To fool us into thinking so?


You are not addressing what the text actually says. You just dismiss scripture without even looking at it. Tell me, is God the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob right now, keeping in mind that He is not the God of the dead, but of the living? Yes or no?


That is scriptural and you're doing NOTHING to back up your view with scripture. So, your unbiblical opinions and claims mean NOTHING.


We put on BODILY immortality when Christ returns. Why do you constantly ignore context? Show me where Paul said we put on spiritual immortality when Christ returns in addition to bodily immortality.

Actually, I’ve expressed that Christ is not reigning now several times; it’s your comprehension that’s shot.

The term “transferred” in Colossians 1:13 is in the prophetic aorist or formed proleptically. If you had done proper research, you wouldn’t be finding your guilty of eisegesis. Prolepses are common in scripture, or expressions of a future act or development as if presently existing or accomplished. Of course, this is so because flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom of God,

1 Corinthians 15
50 I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. ESV

Paul goes on to affirm we must put on immortality to inherit the kingdom of God,

1 Corinthians 15
52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed.
53 For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality.

We know Paul is not saying that we are “removed away” from this world and planted in the kingdom of Christ in a literal sense in Colossians, because flesh and blood can’t inherit the kingdom of God, but that we must first put on immortality.

Again, you have mortals in heaven without them first putting on immortality.

Furthermore, in John 3:13 Christ confirms no one has ascended to heaven except himself. Yet, you ignorantly promote Moses and Elijah were alive to talk with Christ at his first advent. Are we to believe Moses and Elijah were disembodied ghosts roaming earth and waiting to put on their immortal bodies when Christ returns. How absurd. Remember the living know that they must die but the dead no nothing.

The wise interpret the transfiguration as a vision of what is to come when Christ returns, insomuch as it agrees with the Old and New Testaments.

Again, I’m laughing at your ad hoc explanation that we put on immortality in two events. Point is, you have mortals in heaven, insomuch as Paul affirmed one event in which we put on immortality, and that’s at Christ return.