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amigo de christo
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onward in the trenches my friend . james even quoates amos too .
You wanna know what totally scares me to death for this jerry fellow .
HE actually called JESUS a liar about HIS OWN intepreation . YOU caught that too . That is real deadly dangerous
what that man does . You were wise to call him out on it too .
Acts 2
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ...
Not of a mythical millennium.
As for Zechariah 13:7, amills are notorious for changing the meaning of the scriptures so it’s hypocritical to accuse someone else of that. It’s transparent you’re just trying to avoid the OT passages that ordained the scattering of the sheep at Christ’s first advent, which vindicates the scattering has more than one meaning. “Woe be unto the pastors” for “scattering the flock,” cries Christ in Jeremiah 23 and Ezekiel 34. Jeremiah continues, in the end, Christ gathers the sheep and dwells secured with the flock as their king, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS, which is at the harvest of the good seed into the barn in Christ’s parable,
Matthew 13
40 Just as the weeds are gathered and burned with fire, so will it be at the close of the age.
41 The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers,
42 and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. ESV
As I said, Christ’s return and the final judgment were foreshadowed in the Hebraic Autumnal Festivals. The Spring Festivals ordained Christ’s first advent, and the Autumnal the second; the “sowing and planting” commence with the first advent (Jeremiah 31:1-2, 27-38; Ezekiel 34:25-31; Hosea 2:14-23; Zechariah 10:7-9, 13:7). The scriptures affirm Christ rewards the overcomers with rule, power, and authority during TABERLANCLES when he returns, which CERTANLY IS NOT THE WORLD IN WHICH WE LIVE AND PROVES WE DO NOT ENTER THE ETERNAL STATE AT HIS RETURN!
David's throne was on earth, as is Christ's kingdom (Matthew 5:5, 25:31; Revelation 5:9-10).
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"David's throne was on earth"
Acts 2
34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand
In heaven since Christ's resurrection.
Revelation 3
21 The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne. ESV
Christ was raised to sit at his Father's throne; he returns to sit on his,
Matthew 25
31 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne.
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Then sat Solomon upon the throne of David his father (1Kings 2:12).Revelation 3
21 The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne.
Christ was raised to sit at his Father's throne; he returns to sit on his,
Matthew 25
31 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne.
Then Solomon sat on the throne of the Lord (1Chronicles 29:23).
The throne of David is the throne of the Lord.
They are one and the same.
The same on earth. David's throne was given to him by the Lord on earth, not in heaven.
Then Solomon sat on the throne of the Lord (1Chronicles 29:23).The same on earth. David's throne was given to him by the Lord on earth, not in heaven.
Solomon was on earth. The Lord was in heaven.
Yes, Solomon sat on the throne of the Lord ON EARTH, specifically God’s footstool,
Isaiah 66
1 Thus says the LORD: "Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool; what is the house that you would build for me, and what is the place of my rest? ESV
That is where David’s throne was, on earth, God's footstool, not in heaven.
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David's throne was on earth until Christ was resurrected and ascended to David's throne, in heaven ever since.Yes, Solomon sat on the throne of the Lord ON EARTH, specifically God’s footstool,
Isaiah 66
1 Thus says the LORD: "Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool; what is the house that you would build for me, and what is the place of my rest? ESV
That is where David’s throne was, on earth, God's footstool, not in heaven.
The resurrection of Christ was not the second coming of Christ.
David spoke of the resurrection of Christ.
He did not speak of the second coming of Christ.
Acts 2
29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
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Solomon sat on one throne, not two.Yes, Solomon sat on the throne of the Lord ON EARTH, specifically God’s footstool,
Isaiah 66
1 Thus says the LORD: "Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool; what is the house that you would build for me, and what is the place of my rest? ESV
That is where David’s throne was, on earth, God's footstool, not in heaven.
It was identified as both the throne of David and the throne of the Lord.
Yes, David's physical throne was on earth, but it was physically destroyed more than two thousand years ago.
It cannot fulfill prophecy, because it does not exist.
There is only one throne of David that does exist and does fulfill prophecy.
It is David's throne in heaven described in Acts 2:29-35.
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Davy
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The Genesis 49 prophecy Jacob gave to Judah for the "last days" shows how little you know about David's earthly throne...
Gen 49:10-11
10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.
11 Binding his foal unto the vine, and his ass's colt unto the choice vine; he washed his garments in wine, and his clothes in the blood of grapes:
KJV
"Shiloh" is put for Jesus Christ.
The above verse means the royal sceptre rule which God promised to David unto ALL... generations per 2 Samuel 7, will REMAIN on earth all the way up until Christ's future return to sit upon it. It is an EARTHLY THRONE.
That Genesis 49 prophecy means David's throne is STILL HERE ON EARTH SOMEWHERE.
God had David's throne moved from the holy land... when He sent Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon to destroy Jerusalem and Solomon's temple. Zedekiah, king of Judah, was the last king of the house of David specifically ... in Jerusalem, but NOT the end of that throne, for Zedekiah was only the 1st "overturn" of it...
Ezek 21:26-27
26 Thus saith the Lord GOD; "Remove the diadem, and take off the crown: this shall not be the same: exalt him that is low, and abase him that is high.
27 I will overturn, overturn, overturn, it: and it shall be no more, until he come whose right it is; and I will give it him.
KJV
The 3rd "overturn" of David's throne, ON EARTH, already happened back in history, but NOT in the holy land. Even the devil knows about this prophecy about David's throne continuing on earth all the way up to Christ's future return. That's why the devil has continually tried to attack David's throne that's still on earth, but no longer in Jerusalem, even to this day. How is it so many Christian brethren are ignorant of it?
Why not address Acts 2:29-35, which is Scripture's NT final word about David's throne?
Acts 2
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
Does that refer to the first coming of Christ, or to the second coming of Christ?
And no, David's physical throne is not "STILL HERE ON EARTH SOMEWHERE." That is espoused by one or more cults.
It is recognized historically to have been destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar.
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Davy
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There again some brethren's Biblical ignorance about David's earthly throne is shone.
What exactly BRETHREN IN CHRIST, is Acts 2 teaching about David's throne, and Christ Jesus?
Acts 2:29-35
29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that His soul was not left in hell, neither His flesh did see corruption.
That of course is about Lord Jesus' resurrection, as His raised flesh body was "quickened" by The Spirit by which He went and preached The Gospel to the dead "spirits in prison" (per 1 Peter 3 & 4 and 1 Cor.15). Thus Lord Jesus' flesh body did not see corruption, like our flesh body does in the grave.
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, He hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, "The LORD said unto My Lord, 'Sit Thou on My right hand,
35 Until I make Thy foes Thy footstool.'"
KJV
Acts 2 reveals that Christ is NOT sitting on David's throne just yet today, for David's throne is an EARTHLY THRONE, not a Heavenly one. Yet mens' Pop theories like to wrongly assume that Lord Jesus has already taken His promised throne of David, when that simply is NOT true per God's Word. Even the above Acts 2 Scripture reveals Christ right now is sitting on the right hand of The Father's Throne, UNTIL... all His enemies are made His footstool. And just WHEN is that to happen? Turn with me to 1 Corinthians 15:23-28...
1 Cor 15:23-26
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at His coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when He shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when He shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
Christ will not deliver up the Kingdom to The Father UNTIL... He shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. Some try to say Jesus already did that at His cross, but this Apostle Paul speaking here, and was a pretty long time after Christ's death and resurrection.
What that putting down all rule and all authority and power is about, is that above Acts 2 reference to all His enemies being made His footstool. When that is completed, THEN that "end" shall come, and He will deliver up the Kingdom to The Father. This Scripture here is actually another of many Bible proofs of Christ's future "thousand years" reign over the wicked of Revelation 20, showing that will be a LITERAL 1,000 years reign of the future after His return. That is when He will make ALL... His enemies His footstool, even those of the "synagogue of Satan" of Revelation 3:9 that He said He will make come to worship at the feet of His elect Church of Philadelphia!
25 For He must reign, till He hath put all enemies under His feet.
There again, is a reference to Christ's future 1,000 years reign with His elect Church over all His enemies of Rev.20. In the latter part of Zechariah 14, He shows us through His prophet Zechariah that the leftovers of the nations that will have come up against Jerusalem (on the last day of this world), will be made to come up to Jerusalem from year to year, and worship The KING (Christ Jesus), and keep the Feast of Tabernacles. And those nations that refuse to come up, there will be no rain upon their lands. That's yet another Biblical proof that the "thousand years" reign by Christ of Revelation 20 is meant LITERALLY.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
KJV
As per the end of Revelation 20, after God's Great White Throne Judgment, the wicked, the abode of hell, and even the concept of death, all go into the future "lake of fire", and are destroyed.
I really do wish more BRETHREN would actually study their Bible more when some man at a pulpit claims a Scripture is saying something that it is not, with just pulling out a single verse out of Scripture and wrongly applying some stupid theory to it just to support other stupid theories from men's doctrines that are NOT supported in God's written Word. And it is sad that anyone can go to a seminary college and get a four year degree in the denomination of their choice, and go to work at the pulpit and preach, just as long as they follow... the doctrines of men dreamed up by that denomination!
What exactly BRETHREN IN CHRIST, is Acts 2 teaching about David's throne, and Christ Jesus?
Acts 2:29-35
29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that His soul was not left in hell, neither His flesh did see corruption.
That of course is about Lord Jesus' resurrection, as His raised flesh body was "quickened" by The Spirit by which He went and preached The Gospel to the dead "spirits in prison" (per 1 Peter 3 & 4 and 1 Cor.15). Thus Lord Jesus' flesh body did not see corruption, like our flesh body does in the grave.
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, He hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, "The LORD said unto My Lord, 'Sit Thou on My right hand,
35 Until I make Thy foes Thy footstool.'"
KJV
Acts 2 reveals that Christ is NOT sitting on David's throne just yet today, for David's throne is an EARTHLY THRONE, not a Heavenly one. Yet mens' Pop theories like to wrongly assume that Lord Jesus has already taken His promised throne of David, when that simply is NOT true per God's Word. Even the above Acts 2 Scripture reveals Christ right now is sitting on the right hand of The Father's Throne, UNTIL... all His enemies are made His footstool. And just WHEN is that to happen? Turn with me to 1 Corinthians 15:23-28...
1 Cor 15:23-26
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at His coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when He shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when He shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
Christ will not deliver up the Kingdom to The Father UNTIL... He shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. Some try to say Jesus already did that at His cross, but this Apostle Paul speaking here, and was a pretty long time after Christ's death and resurrection.
What that putting down all rule and all authority and power is about, is that above Acts 2 reference to all His enemies being made His footstool. When that is completed, THEN that "end" shall come, and He will deliver up the Kingdom to The Father. This Scripture here is actually another of many Bible proofs of Christ's future "thousand years" reign over the wicked of Revelation 20, showing that will be a LITERAL 1,000 years reign of the future after His return. That is when He will make ALL... His enemies His footstool, even those of the "synagogue of Satan" of Revelation 3:9 that He said He will make come to worship at the feet of His elect Church of Philadelphia!
25 For He must reign, till He hath put all enemies under His feet.
There again, is a reference to Christ's future 1,000 years reign with His elect Church over all His enemies of Rev.20. In the latter part of Zechariah 14, He shows us through His prophet Zechariah that the leftovers of the nations that will have come up against Jerusalem (on the last day of this world), will be made to come up to Jerusalem from year to year, and worship The KING (Christ Jesus), and keep the Feast of Tabernacles. And those nations that refuse to come up, there will be no rain upon their lands. That's yet another Biblical proof that the "thousand years" reign by Christ of Revelation 20 is meant LITERALLY.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
KJV
As per the end of Revelation 20, after God's Great White Throne Judgment, the wicked, the abode of hell, and even the concept of death, all go into the future "lake of fire", and are destroyed.
I really do wish more BRETHREN would actually study their Bible more when some man at a pulpit claims a Scripture is saying something that it is not, with just pulling out a single verse out of Scripture and wrongly applying some stupid theory to it just to support other stupid theories from men's doctrines that are NOT supported in God's written Word. And it is sad that anyone can go to a seminary college and get a four year degree in the denomination of their choice, and go to work at the pulpit and preach, just as long as they follow... the doctrines of men dreamed up by that denomination!
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Evidently you can't understand plain English.
Acts 2
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that His soul was not left in hell, neither His flesh did see corruption.
Can you now?
Davy
Well-Known Member
Even when you try... to show some the simple Scripture as written, they are still determined to TRY... and make it say something that it does not...
Acts 2:29-32
29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
Speaking of king David, he is dead and buried, and his grave is still with us to this day.
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on His throne;
David was also a prophet, which Psalms 22 about Christ's crucifixion comes to mind. Acts 2 is getting ready to quote... David here in the later Acts 2:34-35 verses.
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that His soul was not left in hell, neither His flesh did see corruption.
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
KJV
The above Acts 2:31-32 verses ARE NOT ABOUT DAVID! They are about CHRIST JESUS and CHRIST'S RESURRECTION! It is a statement about JESUS' resurrection of His flesh body, that His flesh body WOULD NOT SEE CORRUPTION! Did it see corruption?? NO! Jesus' flesh body was not found! His tomb found empty! That was because like Apostles Paul and Peter revealed Jesus' flesh body was "QUICKENED" by The SPIRIT to a Heavenly type body!
1 Peter 3:18-19
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
KJV
Per Apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:50, he said flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God, neither does corruption inherit incorruption. Thus Jesus' flesh body was changed to a Heavenly type body by The Spirit. We instead when we die, are subject to our flesh going into corruption (i.e., decaying in the grave). Jesus' flesh body never did see corruption of the grave, and THAT is what that Acts 2:31-32 Scripture is teaching!
Acts 2:29-32
29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
Speaking of king David, he is dead and buried, and his grave is still with us to this day.
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on His throne;
David was also a prophet, which Psalms 22 about Christ's crucifixion comes to mind. Acts 2 is getting ready to quote... David here in the later Acts 2:34-35 verses.
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that His soul was not left in hell, neither His flesh did see corruption.
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
KJV
The above Acts 2:31-32 verses ARE NOT ABOUT DAVID! They are about CHRIST JESUS and CHRIST'S RESURRECTION! It is a statement about JESUS' resurrection of His flesh body, that His flesh body WOULD NOT SEE CORRUPTION! Did it see corruption?? NO! Jesus' flesh body was not found! His tomb found empty! That was because like Apostles Paul and Peter revealed Jesus' flesh body was "QUICKENED" by The SPIRIT to a Heavenly type body!
1 Peter 3:18-19
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
KJV
Per Apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:50, he said flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God, neither does corruption inherit incorruption. Thus Jesus' flesh body was changed to a Heavenly type body by The Spirit. We instead when we die, are subject to our flesh going into corruption (i.e., decaying in the grave). Jesus' flesh body never did see corruption of the grave, and THAT is what that Acts 2:31-32 Scripture is teaching!
Revelation 3
21 The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne. ESV
Christ was raised to sit at his Father's throne; he returns to sit on his,
Matthew 25
31 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne.
You should know Christ was talking about his return to sit on his throne in Matthew 25:31 and reward the overcomers of this age with rule, power and authority in his kingdom according to Matthew 16:27, 19:28, 24:46-47, 25:21, 23; Luke 12:35-44, 19:11-27; and Revelation 2:25-26, 3:21, 11:18, 22:12, which exposes the notion that Christ is seated on David's throne now as fuel fit for the fire (1 Corinthians 3:13). To believe otherwise is foolish.
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