Are only 144,000 saved? (Rev 14:1)

[RR144]

If people examine the one hundred and forty four thousand , its quite specific about WHO they are .
MALES , JEWS that follow CHRIST , virgins. The hundred and forty four thousand
aint even talking about all the jews , JUST SPECIFIC JEWS , MALES , VIRGINS who followed the lamb .
Twelve tribes . its very SPECIFIC .

So it's all literal then? 144,000 literal, male virgin Jews? No, Revelation is a book of symbols, numbers—but not necessarily what they
are used to designate (“days,” “times,” “tribes,” etc.)—always having a literal application. Therefore, 144,000 is the predetermined number to comprise the Bride of Christ; that is, it is the actual count of body members to be associated with Jesus in his Kingdom throne. The expression “of all the tribes of the children of Israel” is a spiritual designation or reference to the true Church, “the Israel of God” (Gal. 6:16 NIV). This latter classification in New Testament usage is not confined or limited to natural Jewry but is open to those exercising the faith of Abraham (Rom. 4:12,13; 9:6–8,24–26).

 

[Jim B]

I assume English is your second language.
In English Grammar their should be something ahead of that From, to give us a clue to what you subject you are talking about.
the next part makes some kind of Since. You typed: the wrath of God that fell on Jerusalem in 70 AD, could be, but I doubt it. WHY? In 70 AD the ROMANS totally dismantled Every single block and wall of Ancient Jerusalem, stock piled them to build a new city called Aelia Capitolina, that stood for over 600 years. THEN early on, (approximately 125 AD, the Romans put a TEMPLE TO JUPITER directly on top of the Second Temple), the ultimate insult occurred, as they build there Pagan Temple on top of where the Jewish TEMPLE stood, on the Ophel.

Separation of sentences made it seem like you for got to type something. Then you did not explain what fruit you were talking about. Then you when way off, and I cannot understand this comment at all: just a new administration heavenly by nature established.

I am just trying to help, not criticizing. It looks like a second language that you have not mastered yet.

LOL!!

You are correcting someone, yet your English has multiple errors...

a) In English Grammar their should be something ahead of that From (should be "there")
b) the next part makes some kind of Since (should be "sense" and not capitalized)
c) In 70 AD the ROMANS totally dismantled Every single block and wall of Ancient Jerusalem (why is "Every" capitalized"?
d) "stock piled" should be one word: stockpiled
e) Your final sentence is a run-on sentence
f) (approximately 125 AD lacks a final close-parenthesis and the grammar is poor. Perhaps you meant: (approximately 125 AD), the Romans put a TEMPLE TO JUPITER directly on top of the Second Temple.
g) "as they build there Pagan Temple" should be "as they built their pagan temple".
h) You follow that paragraph with "Separation of sentences made it seem like you for got to type something." "for got" should be "forgot".
i) Followed by "Then you when way off"! Which should read "Then you went way off".

It looks like you are writing in a second language that you have not mastered yet. Nebraska is in the US. Is English your first (primary) language? If you are truly trying to learn English, I am patient, and will try to help as much as I can.

 

[Jim B]

Posted in error.

 

[VCO]

People can just be mean.

Especially if you believe something totally contrary to someone else.


I dont care; and thank you cassandra.

God will judge them, and me.

NOW you made TOTAL SENSE. ? ? ?

 

[VCO]

LOL!!

You are correcting someone, yet your English has multiple errors...

a) In English Grammar their should be something ahead of that From (should be "there")
b) the next part makes some kind of Since (should be "sense" and not capitalized)
c) In 70 AD the ROMANS totally dismantled Every single block and wall of Ancient Jerusalem (why is "Every" capitalized"?
d) "stock piled" should be one word: stockpiled
e) Your final sentence is a run-on sentence
f) (approximately 125 AD lacks a final close-parenthesis and the grammar is poor. Perhaps you meant: (approximately 125 AD), the Romans put a TEMPLE TO JUPITER directly on top of the Second Temple.
g) "as they build there Pagan Temple" should be "as they built their pagan temple".
h) You follow that paragraph with "Separation of sentences made it seem like you for got to type something." "for got" should be "forgot".
i) Followed by "Then you when way off"! Which should read "Then you went way off".

It looks like you are writing in a second language that you have not mastered yet. Nebraska is in the US. Is English your first (primary) language? If you are truly trying to learn English, I am patient, and will try to help as much as I can.

And you are not helping, I have had two major Strokes, and 7 mini Strokes. I am 74, with a Pacemaker in my chest. My dad also died at 74 of a heart attack. So I know my days are numbered. Laugh if you want, but I am trying to help, you are not.
Laugh at this:

1 Timothy 5:1 (HCSB)
1 Do not rebuke an older man, but exhort him as a father, younger men as brothers,

 

[VCO]

What is truth?


Thanks vco.


I still continue to believe the 144,000 was the first church spotless, blamess, bride of christ he was told to come back and marry.

I believe that happend, and the temple was demolished just as jesus promsied.

Otherwise the promises of jesus and his return to tjat generation, and and it was not so; would make jesus a farce.

The aposltes too, would become a farce for lying, and the historical information form secular writeres ought to be explored in what is documented there.

Suetonius, Cassio Dio, Tactius(?), Jospehus, are actuall historical writers that should be looked into. People can say all kinds of things though and believe on the bias that they choose. So much for english being my second langauge.

If you ask HIM, HE will make you aware of it.

 

[MatthewG]

@VCO there was a woman singing and dancing to this song and you just reminded me again of it.

 

[MatthewG]

And you are not helping, I have had two major Strokes, and 7 mini Strokes. I am 74, with a Pacemaker in my chest. My dad also died at 74 of a heart attack. So I know my days are numbered. Laugh if you want, but I am trying to help, you are not.
Laugh at this:

1 Timothy 5:1 (HCSB)
1 Do not rebuke an older man, but exhort him as a father, younger men as brothers,

Paul wrote and told timothy many things

1 Timothy 4:12
Don’t let anyone look down on you because you are young, but set an example for the believers in speech, in conduct, in love, in faith and in purity.

 

[MatthewG]

I doubt the 144,000 people of the bride of christ were never online and extremely devout chrisitans who deserve recogintion.

 

[amigo de christo]

So it's all literal then? 144,000 literal, male virgin Jews? No, Revelation is a book of symbols, numbers—but not necessarily what they
are used to designate (“days,” “times,” “tribes,” etc.)—always having a literal application. Therefore, 144,000 is the predetermined number to comprise the Bride of Christ; that is, it is the actual count of body members to be associated with Jesus in his Kingdom throne. The expression “of all the tribes of the children of Israel” is a spiritual designation or reference to the true Church, “the Israel of God” (Gal. 6:16 NIV). This latter classification in New Testament usage is not confined or limited to natural Jewry but is open to those exercising the faith of Abraham (Rom. 4:12,13; 9:6–8,24–26).

They are PART of the BRIDE not all OF IT . the bride of CHRIST consists of both the believing jews
believing gentiles and the believing one hundred and forty four thousand male jews who were virgins ,.
I am not saying paul was one of the one hundred and forty four thousand . But it would be like him .
He was never married , he was of the tribe of benjamin .
What tribe are you of . exactly .
I also know there is a lot of symbols . But its very plain about this .

 

[VCO]

@VCO there was a woman singing and dancing to this song and you just reminded me again of it.

That was offensive in my book.

 

[amigo de christo]

That was offensive in my book.

its vile period .

 

[amigo de christo]

We will probably be called legalistic or hateful for exposing such a crude vile song . But so BE IT .
its vile and none who name the name of CHRIST should entertain it , let alone bring it to show others .

 

[MatthewG]

Strokin

 

[MatthewG]

Human beings doing it for a long time.

 

[MatthewG]

That is how you were made!

 

[VCO]

This is the kind of music I listen to, and this Christian Group preformed this in Jerusalem.

 

[VCO]

And this:

 

[MatthewG]

The poor meth head whom likes rock an roll is looked as pure dirt to the highly religous, yet jesus loves them. He is much higher to display being love than shunned, …

 

[VCO]

The poor meth head whom likes rock an roll is looked as pure dirt to the highly religous, yet jesus loves them. He is much higher to display being love than shunned, …

No, you just made a one way trip to my IGNORE LIST.