VCO
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No they are not a church, they are the remnant of Jews, it says so in the TEXT.
Are only 144,000 saved? (Rev 14:1)
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No they are not a church, they are the remnant of Jews, it says so in the TEXT.
I believe by faith it was.
Only fruit know is fruit of the spirit. To love or fleshly not to love.
The first administration was the temple. It was destroyed. Now you are the temple; and part of the heavenly kingdom of Jerusalem. The new administration is heavenly.
Where God writes on peoples minds and hearts.
Jeremiah 31:33
"This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel after that time," declares the LORD. "I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.
There is no more covnant law to abide by. Not even apostolic law, that people have to abide by.
Its all the law of Christ; living by faith; not our own works or rightousnsss. All made right with God by faith; and to have love for God and love for others.
You die, judged, go and are placed inside or outside the kingdom.
That is condecending in my opinion.
They were the ones who lived their life for Christ. So that is why i do believe it was real human beings who loved God and were going through terrible times but were saved in that day.
Only Tactius, Cassio Dio, Suetonius, and Josphesus are the secular writers i can share for people to look into about the secular history concerning revelation.
People may choose to believe whatever.
VCO
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Emperor told them too and JESUS PROPHESIED IT..
Too much trouble with the Zealot Jews.
He planned the City and inspected it a couple times.
I have done a 4.75 year study on the Subject. Here is onething that everyone MISSED:
That southeast corner of the Temple Mount area, was never the site for the TEMPLE.
Every Legion according to Wikipedia, had 300 Horses. I decided to look where the horses were quartered, and came up with this.
The European Code that every language understood, that space was reserved for the Emperor's Horse. I was about 12 feet in from
the south doors. The original Photographer, was an English Commando's, who was stationed in Jerusalem, in 1944, after running the
Nazi's out of Israel.
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That is what it looked like in Christ's Day. Except Western Wall looks like it should be little wider, next to the Right Blue Arrow.
VCO
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Here is the TRUTH, Moriah was the name of the WHOLE RIDGE, and therefore it was Built on the Mt. Moriah, specifically on the single Peak of Mt. Zion, which is on the OPHEL.
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This is an eye witness, to the Whole Incident, Flavius Josephus the 1st. century Historian:
Josephus: The Jewish War, Book V, Chapter 4. [While on the Walkway made notes.] . . . having its bending above the fountain Siloam; where it also bends again towards the east at Solomon’s pool, and reaches as far as a certain place which they called Ophlas [what the Jews called the OPHEL back then], where it was joined to the eastern cloister of the temple.
What is truth?
Thanks vco.
I still continue to believe the 144,000 was the first church spotless, blamess, bride of christ he was told to come back and marry.
I believe that happend, and the temple was demolished just as jesus promsied.
Otherwise the promises of jesus and his return to tjat generation, and and it was not so; would make jesus a farce.
The aposltes too, would become a farce for lying, and the historical information form secular writeres ought to be explored in what is documented there.
Suetonius, Cassio Dio, Tactius(?), Jospehus, are actuall historical writers that should be looked into. People can say all kinds of things though and believe on the bias that they choose. So much for english being my second langauge.
Thanks vco.
I still continue to believe the 144,000 was the first church spotless, blamess, bride of christ he was told to come back and marry.
I believe that happend, and the temple was demolished just as jesus promsied.
Otherwise the promises of jesus and his return to tjat generation, and and it was not so; would make jesus a farce.
The aposltes too, would become a farce for lying, and the historical information form secular writeres ought to be explored in what is documented there.
Suetonius, Cassio Dio, Tactius(?), Jospehus, are actuall historical writers that should be looked into. People can say all kinds of things though and believe on the bias that they choose. So much for english being my second langauge.
VCO
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So now you have become a Scoffer.
Jude 1:17-19 (HCSB)
17 But you, dear friends, remember what was predicted by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
18 they told you, “In the end time there will be scoffers walking according to their own ungodly desires.”
19 These people create divisions and are unbelievers, not having the Spirit.
There has NEVER been a spotless Human Beings on this PLANET.
Every one of us are SINNERS. The only distinction is some of us are Forgiven Sinners, and the Rest are Unforgiven Sinners.
Romans 3:10 (NKJV)
10 As it is written: "There is none righteous, no, not one;
Romans 3:23 (NKJV)
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Psalm 53:3 (ESV)
3 They have all fallen away; together they have become corrupt; there is none who does good, not even one.
The Bride of Christ, is the sum total of that receive the Glorified Body at the Resurrection which is also is the Rapture. All the Old Testament Saints, All the New Testament Saints, and All the Tribulation Saints.
LOOK AT WHERE THE SAINTS ARE AT THE WEDDING SUPPER OF THE LAMB.
Revelation 19:6-9 (NIV)
6 Then I heard what sounded like a great multitude, like the roar of rushing waters and like loud peals of thunder, shouting: "Hallelujah! For our Lord God Almighty reigns.
7 Let us rejoice and be glad and give him glory! For the wedding of the Lamb has come, and his bride has made herself ready.
8 Fine linen, bright and clean, was given her to wear." (Fine linen stands for the righteous acts of the saints.)
9 Then the angel said to me, "Write: 'Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the Lamb!'" And he added, "These are the true words of God."
They are in Heaven getting ready for the Second Coming, and that is according to the Wedding Tradition of the Jews, it the FATHER'S House for 7 day at LEAST Prior to the Wedding Supper. The last event in a JEWISH Wedding is the SUPPER. I think it will be a WEEK OF YEARS, the 70th Week of Daniel. I invite, is in my HEART right now, so I know I will be going in the Rapture.
All Scripture is INSPIRED BY GOD, and you changed it to: "I still continue to believe the 144,000 was the first church spotless, blamess, bride of christ."
2 Timothy 3:16 (HCSB)
16 All Scripture is inspired by God and is profitable for teaching, for rebuking, for correcting, for training in righteousness,
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you may think i would ne a scoffer; but i suggest people to read the bible.
None of the passages you shared ; are directed to me, when they where done it was all said and done for each group addressed.
The rest can be said about the other books,
Hebrews, timothy,
The same in fashion with the letter of john, all of these letters where written and addressed to specific people; to make it about us today and that you have to follow every bit is mot right,
Because no where does it say any of these things are for a future church or for vco to follow because none of it addresssed you,
It addresses them in that time.
None of the passages you shared ; are directed to me, when they where done it was all said and done for each group addressed.
To consider me crazy you must deal with these points.
The rest can be said about the other books,
Hebrews, timothy,
The same in fashion with the letter of john, all of these letters where written and addressed to specific people; to make it about us today and that you have to follow every bit is mot right,
Because no where does it say any of these things are for a future church or for vco to follow because none of it addresssed you,
It addresses them in that time.
Just because i disagree with something you believe doesnt make me a scoffer unless i seriously chide you or i chide the bible but its relable and trustworthy.
Again am i wrong about this church bring perpared as the bride in that day? The first bride of christ. First believers who gave their life?
One must decide between themselves, the information, and God.
“Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; that he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, that he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.”
Ephesians 5:25-27 KJV
Ephesians 5:26 that he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word | King James Version (KJV) | Download The Bible App Now
that he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the wordbible.com
Again am i wrong about this church bring perpared as the bride in that day? The first bride of christ. First believers who gave their life?
One must decide between themselves, the information, and God.
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VCO
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Do you know there is not much time LEFT.
The word Church was never used by JESUS or the Apostles. It was added to the BIBLE about 300 AD. He used the word ASSEMBLY for all True Believers, of all times. Past, Present, and Future Tenses.
Matthew 16:18 (YLT)
18 `And I also say to thee, that thou art a rock, and upon this rock I will build my assembly, and gates of Hades shall not prevail against it;
Good Bye for now, and if you are truly trying to learn English, I am patient, and will try to help as much as I can.
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There because they were the first didnt mean that the fruits stopped to cease.
Many today become part of the heavenly kingdom.
They just didnt have to experience it like the first people did.
They gave up there life, for christ; amd where promised to be taken up even “rapture” then in that time.
So none of that stuff stopped happening
It was just different for the first group of people who were under material law, and all of it got destroyed.
But you can’t really argue with me because I believe by faith, that Jesus promised and Jesus came.
Many today become part of the heavenly kingdom.
They just didnt have to experience it like the first people did.
They gave up there life, for christ; amd where promised to be taken up even “rapture” then in that time.
So none of that stuff stopped happening
It was just different for the first group of people who were under material law, and all of it got destroyed.
But you can’t really argue with me because I believe by faith, that Jesus promised and Jesus came.
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Earburner
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"If you come to know Him, He starts giving you understanding of the Bible. Not that everyone has that understanding."
If you see yourself as such, then you may be ready to see that the symbolic 144,000 are PAST, and were those "under the altar" of the OC.
They were the Israel of faith, who were looking forward to "the Promise to come", of which did come, who is Jesus.
You will find them in Malachi 3:16, as being those whose names were written in "the book of Remembrance".
On the day of Jesus resurrection, they were then translated into the book of Life, who is Jesus Himself. Please see that event of the 5th seal in Rev. 6:9-11.
To further clarify, we must all remember that by and through Jesus' shed blood on the cross, all are equally sinful before God the Father, and for that, there is no difference between Jew and Gentile.
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amigo de christo
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If people examine the one hundred and forty four thousand , its quite specific about WHO they are .
MALES , JEWS that follow CHRIST , virgins. The hundred and forty four thousand
aint even talking about all the jews , JUST SPECIFIC JEWS , MALES , VIRGINS who followed the lamb .
Twelve tribes . its very SPECIFIC .
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No, I am trying to help him. He needs to use simpler words. He is trying, but he needs to understand, how he is coming across. He said it makes sense to him, but not to us who are used to speaking English. I know, English is a very difficult language to learn and I am patient. If you do, or can understand him a little bit, please help him too.
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But I speak English, too. And the way you are speaking to him about his use of the language (I believe he is born and raised here in the US, and English is his first language) The way you set it up is that everybody else who speaks English cant understand it. I still think its mean
VCO
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Oh My. Then we need to Pray for him. If that is the case, then I can understand that too. I had a couple of Strokes back to back. Those scrambled my brain for about 6 month. I thought I was going to stay like that, but God was merciful, brought it back to wear I can function. I used make Computers for other people, but now I have difficulty explaining to my Best Buy Geek Squad, what is wrong with it.
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