Anti- Christian Crusade.

[Barrd]

How long have you been doing this, and how much weight have you lost?

I've been doing it for about a year, and I've lost about 60 pounds.
My doctor is satisfied with my progress, and that ought to be good enough for you.
If it isn't, too darn bad.

No, as I've pointed out to you I-don't-know-how-many-times-before, I'm talking about this sort of rhetoric from Christians.

I looked at that site, and clicked on a couple of the articles...and I am wondering....what rhetoric are you talking about?
The worst thing I saw on there is some jerk who wants to limit our use of contraceptives. Not that a contraceptive is going to do much good for some folks.
All but two of my seven kids were conceived on birth control....in fact, the baby came after I'd had my tubes tied. The doc went back in and burned 'em shut after her. We didn't set out to have that many kids....but I am not sorry that we had any of 'em.
Anywho...please be specific. What rhetoric are you referring to, and where on the site must I go to see it?

Well, at least you admit you believe Christians are waging war on gays.

We are waging war against all sin, or at least, we're supposed to be.
Notice, I said ALL sin. Including, but certainly not limited to, homosexuality.

You're free to do as you please.

What I please to do would be for us to get along, if that is possible.
It is what would please our Lord, as well. I am trying to do that, but it takes two.

And exactly how am I aiding in anyone's sin?

Would you bake me a big, three layer cake, please? And a giant hot fudge sundae on the side, smothered in whipped cream? Oh, and start with a thick milk shake, if you don't mind.
I need it to wash down the two double cheese burgers and large order of greasy french fries I just ate for lunch.
Of course, you know that by selling me these items, you would be contributing to my sin, and possibly to my death, right? But what is that to you? I have money...

Do you see the point?

 

[River Jordan]

I've been doing it for about a year, and I've lost about 60 pounds.
My doctor is satisfied with my progress, and that ought to be good enough for you.
If it isn't, too darn bad.

I'm just going to keep my thoughts on this to myself from here on.

I looked at that site, and clicked on a couple of the articles...and I am wondering....what rhetoric are you talking about?

There is Pastor Kevin Swanson who advocates executing gays, and whose conference was attended by Mike Huckabee, Bobby Jindal, and Ted Cruz. Mission America (a Christian organization) president Linda Harvey writing an article saying that gay rights advocates want to legalize sexual abuse of children in order to make more people gay. World Congress of Families (a Christian conference) speaker Everett Piper referring to gay rights advocates as fascists. Nebraska pastor Phillip Kayser passing out pamphlets calling for gays to be executed. Theodore Shoebat equating homosexuality with rape and cannibalism. The Family Research Council sending out a letter accusing Obama of planning to get kids "into the funnel of the sexual revolution".

That's all just from the first two pages (and not even everything on those pages).

We are waging war against all sin, or at least, we're supposed to be.
Notice, I said ALL sin. Including, but certainly not limited to, homosexuality.

Yet homosexuality is the only one that gets singled out for special treatment.

What I please to do would be for us to get along, if that is possible.
It is what would please our Lord, as well. I am trying to do that, but it takes two.

That's fine.

Would you bake me a big, three layer cake, please? And a giant hot fudge sundae on the side, smothered in whipped cream? Oh, and start with a thick milk shake, if you don't mind.
I need it to wash down the two double cheese burgers and large order of greasy french fries I just ate for lunch.
Of course, you know that by selling me these items, you would be contributing to my sin, and possibly to my death, right? But what is that to you? I have money...

Do you see the point?

No, not at all. Again, how am I aiding anyone in their sin?

 

[Marcus O'Reillius]

But how do you tell what is and isn't related to sin? If you work in a bookstore and a man comes in and buys a book on relationships, how do you know he's not gay and your selling him the book will aid in him staying in that relationship? If you sell him cupcakes, how do you know they're not for a gay party? What if a Christian works in a drug store? Should they ask every person who buys contraceptives what sort of sex they'll be having and with whom?

1. If it has a normal use, no one knows what innocent piece of material could be used for sin. Quit being so legalistic. If I own a hardware store, I'll sell hammers. If I own a sports store, I'll sell baseball bats. If someone comes in to buy a hammer or a baseball bat - it is NOT my responsibility to discern their motive - and only God can know their heart - so I don't know that they're not going to kill with either, transforming each from a tool to a weapon.

2. Same thing. My books on relationships would be Christ-based. I would NOT sell books on anal sex or how to do other perverted things. So if someone buys a "good" book for bad motives - that's not my concern AND I am not aiding and abetting his sin.

3. Cupcakes do not promote homosexuality. There are no "perverted" cupcakes. Cupcakes are not part of a wedding party by convention. They are not decorated with two guys marrying each other.

4. Same thing. I sell legal drugs. I am not responsible for someone's misuse of them.

5. Not my responsibility to ask what they're going to use a condom for when they buy it. If I have a real problem with anyone having sex, I just won't sell them. The only thing wrong with condoms is that they take away from the feeling.

I will not "participate" in a homosexual wedding by making a specifically pointed cake which will act to promote their unholy union.

 

[River Jordan]

1. If it has a normal use, no one knows what innocent piece of material could be used for sin. Quit being so legalistic. If I own a hardware store, I'll sell hammers. If I own a sports store, I'll sell baseball bats. If someone comes in to buy a hammer or a baseball bat - it is NOT my responsibility to discern their motive - and only God can know their heart - so I don't know that they're not going to kill with either, transforming each from a tool to a weapon.

You mean like someone who comes to a bakery and says "I'd like to order a wedding cake". There's no need to ask if it's for a same-sex wedding.

2. Same thing. My books on relationships would be Christ-based. I would NOT sell books on anal sex or how to do other perverted things. So if someone buys a "good" book for bad motives - that's not my concern AND I am not aiding and abetting his sin.

You don't think there are gay couples who think of themselves as Christian, and therefore might be interested in a Christ-based book on relationships?

3. Cupcakes do not promote homosexuality. There are no "perverted" cupcakes. Cupcakes are not part of a wedding party by convention. They are not decorated with two guys marrying each other.

So it's perfectly ok to sell cupcakes for a gay pride event. Good to know.

Not my responsibility to ask what they're going to use a condom for when they buy it. If I have a real problem with anyone having sex, I just won't sell them. The only thing wrong with condoms is that they take away from the feeling.

So selling condoms to gay men isn't supporting their sin. Good to know.

I will not "participate" in a homosexual wedding by making a specifically pointed cake which will act to promote their unholy union.

I'm not aware of any cases where a gay couple requested a "specifically pointed cake". All the one's I've read about never even made it that far. Before they could even discuss what the cake would look like, the baker asked if it was for a same-sex wedding, and once they answered "yes", they refused. So it can't really be about the cake, can it?

 

[Barrd]

I'm just going to keep my thoughts on this to myself from here on.

That would probably be the wise choice.
After all, I have not asked you if you are a lesbian....although privately, I have wondered. It is none of my business, but it would explain your zealous defense of the gay community.
You do come off as being rather over-involved.
But again, it is none of my business, and as I have said before, when it comes to such things, I do not ask.

There is Pastor Kevin Swanson who advocates executing gays, and whose conference was attended by Mike Huckabee, Bobby Jindal, and Ted Cruz.

Now, there I agree with you. Such vitriol as that is uncalled for.
On either side of this issue...

Mission America (a Christian organization) president Linda Harvey writing an article saying that gay rights advocates want to legalize sexual abuse of children in order to make more people gay.

I don't believe that most of you actually feel this way. However, NAMBLA might have a different view.
And there are men who do report that being molested as boys did contribute to their "gayness" as adults.

http://borngay.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000029
(This site gives both pro and con views. Oh, yes....I've learned to check my info, especially with you.)
http://www.citizenlink.com/2010/06/17/childhood-sexual-abuse-and-male-homosexuality/
http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=is02e3

Evidently, some researchers, although not all, do see a connection between child sexual abuse and homosexuality.
Now, I do not for a single second think that any sane person would advocate legalizing child abuse in order to produce more gay men. That's just plain ridiculous. But I do wonder if they realize that there might be a connection...

World Congress of Families (a Christian conference) speaker Everett Piper referring to gay rights advocates as fascists.

A little rough...but possibly not completely untrue. Although I can see why gay rights activists might not like the comparison.

Nebraska pastor Phillip Kayser passing out pamphlets calling for gays to be executed.

Over the top and completely uncalled for. We are in agreement on this and the other creep who wanted to have them executed. A totally shameful way for a Christian to behave.

Theodore Shoebat equating homosexuality with rape and cannibalism.

Rape, maybe.
I'd be interested in knowing just how he thinks it compares with cannibalism.

The Family Research Council sending out a letter accusing Obama of planning to get kids "into the funnel of the sexual revolution".

I'm not so sure they are completely wrong on that.

That's all just from the first two pages (and not even everything on those pages).

Someone went to a lot of trouble collecting hate.
I wonder if they know that this trash does not represent all Christians who stand against gay marriage?

Yet homosexuality is the only one that gets singled out for special treatment.

So, let me ask you...are you this passionate about abortion? Which side of that issue are you on, or do you care enough to take a side?
You sure didn't mind "singling out" gluttony once you found out that I am a food junkie. Are you always that hard on chubby folks? Do you have any fat friends? Why or why not?
You do know that gluttony is only one of seven deadly sins.
There are also lust, greed, laziness, wrath, envy, and pride.
I have detected some wrath in you, as well as a healthy dose of pride. Are you aware of this in yourself, and are you dealing with it?
Where do you stand on animal rights?

Or have you "singled out" homosexuality for "special treatment"?

I know that I have told you, again and again and again and yet again, that I, and Marcus, the only two in this thread that I know of who stand firm against homosexual sin, also stand firm against any and all other sin....including our own. I think I have given ample evidence of this in myself, and I see that he has done so as well.
This is the last time I am going to answer this particular charge. With all the love in my heart, River, I am asking you sincerely to please, not make it again.
Thank you.

That's fine.

Good.

No, not at all. Again, how am I aiding anyone in their sin?

You honestly do not see how selling me a bunch of fattening junk food would contribute to my sin....even after everything I have confessed to you here in this open forum, for all to see?
If that is so, then there is little point in talking to you about this issue at all.
You seem to have a massive blind spot.

So much for me submitting myself to your tender mercies, should I ever come to the point where Scottie was when he came to me. You'd have me dead of a heart attack within six months...

 

[Barrd]

But how do you tell what is and isn't related to sin? If you work in a bookstore and a man comes in and buys a book on relationships, how do you know he's not gay and your selling him the book will aid in him staying in that relationship?

Unless I were to question him closely, I would not know if he were gay or not.
Since only about 3% of our population is actually gay, it is natural to assume that this guy is straight.

If you sell him cupcakes, how do you know they're not for a gay party?

Unless he volunteers this info, you have no way of knowing.
See above...

What if a Christian works in a drug store? Should they ask every person who buys contraceptives what sort of sex they'll be having and with whom?

I'd be more concerned with making sure that my customer knows that condoms do not always prevent pregnancy or disease, so make sure your partner is clean and that you are ready for the responsibility of a child.
If you don't think you could raise a kid with this person, then it is probably a bad idea to have sex with them.

And I would make sure that he knows that this is advice from someone who has "been there, done that."

 

[Barrd]

1. If it has a normal use, no one knows what innocent piece of material could be used for sin. Quit being so legalistic. If I own a hardware store, I'll sell hammers. If I own a sports store, I'll sell baseball bats. If someone comes in to buy a hammer or a baseball bat - it is NOT my responsibility to discern their motive - and only God can know their heart - so I don't know that they're not going to kill with either, transforming each from a tool to a weapon.

2. Same thing. My books on relationships would be Christ-based. I would NOT sell books on anal sex or how to do other perverted things. So if someone buys a "good" book for bad motives - that's not my concern AND I am not aiding and abetting his sin.

3. Cupcakes do not promote homosexuality. There are no "perverted" cupcakes. Cupcakes are not part of a wedding party by convention. They are not decorated with two guys marrying each other.

4. Same thing. I sell legal drugs. I am not responsible for someone's misuse of them.

5. Not my responsibility to ask what they're going to use a condom for when they buy it. If I have a real problem with anyone having sex, I just won't sell them. The only thing wrong with condoms is that they take away from the feeling.

I will not "participate" in a homosexual wedding by making a specifically pointed cake which will act to promote their unholy union.

Yeah, what my brother Marcus said. -_-

 

[StanJ]

So, do you think that we are not responsible to bring the message of the cross to those who are outside the church?
Aren't these the ones who need to hear it the most?

ALL unrepentant sinners are headed for hell, Stan....every single one of them. You're a Christian, and I know that you know this. Aren't we supposed carry the message of salvation to them?

And why are we told to be the light of the world and the salt of the earth?
Are you telling us to hide our light under a bushel? Has our salt lost its savor?

Of course, just not the message of laws against sin, because we are NOT under the law and God can ONLY write on the hearts of believers.

That's right Barrd, but that doesn't change the gospel message, in fact, THAT changes when one does accept the gospel, not when one recognizes or agree as to what sin is. Remember Jesus's mission was to the Jews, who were SUPPOSED to know the law, so he was able to correct them and show them who He was. Our mission is to gossip the new of WHO Jesus is, NOT tell people what sin is. I'm always amazed that so many people want to do God's job.

By our behaviour Barrd, NOT by telling people what sin is or isn't.
Sadly you really don't get what being a light and salt means do you?

 

[Marcus O'Reillius]

You mean like someone who comes to a bakery and says "I'd like to order a wedding cake". There's no need to ask if it's for a same-sex wedding.

No, I don't mean that. If a woman comes in, with her mother, and is asking about her wedding, and specifically calls for a perverted woman on woman cake - I not only have the Right of Association, but because I have a Right to Exercise my Religion - the State cannot (although it is perverted too and tries) force me to do something which I find religiously objectionable!

You don't think there are gay couples who think of themselves as Christian, and therefore might be interested in a Christ-based book on relationships?

What you are describing is a liberal oxymoron - Christian homosexual couple.

If they are Christian, and they are to live by faith, then they are to come out of sin and live in Christ - and Jesus said: "Sin no more."

Homosexuality is a sin.

So I don't think they're truly Christian. They're Christian in name only by me - but I am not the Judge: God is. However, I am right to judge those IN the Church and let them know they're living in sin. So their deeds do not follow their professed faith - and faith without deed is dead.

And I would openly question such a mythical couple coming into my imaginary bookstore. I'm sure they, like you, would quickly become offended at my opinion and leave.

So it's perfectly ok to sell cupcakes for a gay pride event. Good to know.

Again, Right of Association and my Right to Exercise my Religion. If someone tells me my labor is going to support sin: No!

Same as if someone tells me they're going to kill their neighbor with the hammer they're going to buy in my store!

What part of SIN don't you understand? I will not aid and abet your sin! Period!

So selling condoms to gay men isn't supporting their sin. Good to know.

I won't sell condoms. Problem solved. It is not right for me to sell something which aids and abets their sin.

So it can't really be about the cake, can it?

It's about forcing me to do something which against my religion.

YOU however don't get it. YOU want to force people to violate their religiously held beliefs.

 

[Barrd]

You mean like someone who comes to a bakery and says "I'd like to order a wedding cake". There's no need to ask if it's for a same-sex wedding.

Yeah, just like that.

You don't think there are gay couples who think of themselves as Christian, and therefore might be interested in a Christ-based book on relationships?

Someone once told me that I am naive, and I suppose, to some extent, I am.
It would not occur to me to imagine that this guy might be gay. I wouldn't think a gay couple would get much useful advice from a Christ-based book on relationships, which would be geared to ordinary, God-approved, man and woman relationships.
Besides, you do know that the so-called "gay community" represents only about 3% of our population...3.4% as I seem to remember reading somwhere, so there is a very tiny chance that these folks might be gay.

So it's perfectly ok to sell cupcakes for a gay pride event. Good to know.

Unless he volunteers the information, how would I know?
Of course if he wanted rainbows on them, even I might ask...hoping against hope that he's going to tell me that they are for a little girl's "My Little Pony" party, or something.

So selling condoms to gay men isn't supporting their sin. Good to know.

Again, unless he volunteers the info, I would not know. I don't think many drug store owners would think to ask....do you?

I'm not aware of any cases where a gay couple requested a "specifically pointed cake". All the one's I've read about never even made it that far. Before they could even discuss what the cake would look like, the baker asked if it was for a same-sex wedding, and once they answered "yes", they refused. So it can't really be about the cake, can it?

Now this comes from a website that is highly biased toward pro-gay activists, so it is a fair statement:
When Cryer and her mother arrived at Sweet Cakes by Melissa, Aaron Klein ushered them to his office, where he then asked for the names of the bride and groom. Told there would be two brides, he refused service right then and there. "I believe I have wasted your time," he claims to have said. "We do not do cakes for same-sex weddings."

Surely you aren't going to tell me that a baker doesn't have any right to ask the names of the bride and groom? I'm pretty sure Aaron was as shocked as I would be to learn that this was for two brides.

 

[Barrd]

Of course, just not the message of laws against sin, because we are NOT under the law and God can ONLY write on the hearts of believers.

I think you know that we do not agree on this point, Stan.
Being "under grace" does not negate the fact that sin is transgression of the law, as I'm sure you are aware. Grace is unmerited favor...it is granted to us for the forgiveness of sin.
Even under the New Covenant, the wages of sin is death, while the gift of God is eternal life.
I am always surprised and a little shocked when some Christian tells me that "we are not under the law" as if God has given us a license to sin.

That's right Barrd, but that doesn't change the gospel message, in fact, THAT changes when one does accept the gospel, not when one recognizes or agree as to what sin is. Remember Jesus's mission was to the Jews, who were SUPPOSED to know the law, so he was able to correct them and show them who He was. Our mission is to gossip the new of WHO Jesus is, NOT tell people what sin is. I'm always amazed that so many people want to do God's job.

So, would you tell a Wiccan that she must desert her goddess in order to worship Christ?
What would you say to the kleptomaniac who is stealing from you? Or worse, to the guy who has raped someone you love...your wife or your daughter, perhaps?
Would you be as sanguine about sin if it were seriously affecting your life? Maybe I am wrong about you, but I'm guessing that underneath all the fine church words, there is a real man who, especially in the case of the rape of his wife or his daughter, would very gladly step up and attempt to do "God's job."
It's so easy to say how we should act when we are not personally involved.
And given that there are very few actual gays, the chances that you will ever be personally involved are quite slim.
But what if you were, Stan?
Would you, for instance, have the guts, as I did, to take in your gay relative, even though you have young kids in your house? Would you love him enough to guide him through his confusion?

And wasn't Philip a Greek? Jesus did deal with those outside of the Jewish faith, didn't He?

By our behaviour Barrd, NOT by telling people what sin is or isn't.
Sadly you really don't get what being a light and salt means do you?

Okay, then my Brother, how bout you enlighten me? What does being salt and light mean to you?

 

[mjrhealth]

Would you, for instance, have the guts, as I did, to take in your gay relative,

Its not about"guts" it about love and grace and mercy and forgiveness.

How would it be if you walked into a shop to buy a cake, and when you asked you are told, sorry I cannot make you a cake. And then you ask why. And you are told, because you are a sinner. Than you say, but i am aborn again christian, and they respond, it is not our doing, we would love to serve you, but you have judged that we cannot serve homosexuals because they are sinners ,and since you to are a sinner we therefore cannot serve you.

Have you not read, judge not lest you be judged.

In all His love

 

[Marcus O'Reillius]

If they profess to be a born-again Christian and openly flaunt their sin and ask you to participate in that sin - then you have every right to not only exercise your religion - but you also have an obligation to remove yourself from association from that so-called believer!

Eph 5:3 But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people. 4 Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. 5 For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person—such a person is an idolater —has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God's wrath comes on those who are disobedient. 7 Therefore do not be partners with them.

I will not let you deceive me with empty words.

The answer is found in the affirmation of Scripture that God is the ruler of the universe and is the final moral arbiter. He, the Judge, had already announced his verdict on the practices of which Paul was writing. He had identified these practices as sin. What the church is called on to do is to agree with God in the divine assessment of the actions of this one who "calls himself a brother." As a community, the church is to "expel the wicked" from its fellowship

1Co 5:9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.

12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked person from among you."

Judge not does not mean to accept sin within the body of Christ that is the Church.

 

[River Jordan]

I have not asked you if you are a lesbian....although privately, I have wondered.

Well, you can put your fears to rest, I'm not a lesbian. Not everyone who believes gays should be treated no differently than everyone else is gay, you know.

Someone went to a lot of trouble collecting hate.

Sadly, it's simply a matter of paying attention. The page is added to daily. There's certainly no shortage of Christian leaders who engage in hateful anti-gay rhetoric, and there's no shortage of Christians who support them.

I wonder if they know that this trash does not represent all Christians who stand against gay marriage?

I thought public perception wasn't important to you?

So, let me ask you...are you this passionate about abortion? Which side of that issue are you on, or do you care enough to take a side?
You sure didn't mind "singling out" gluttony once you found out that I am a food junkie. Are you always that hard on chubby folks? Do you have any fat friends? Why or why not?
You do know that gluttony is only one of seven deadly sins.
There are also lust, greed, laziness, wrath, envy, and pride.
I have detected some wrath in you, as well as a healthy dose of pride. Are you aware of this in yourself, and are you dealing with it?
Where do you stand on animal rights?

Or have you "singled out" homosexuality for "special treatment"?

Again you miss the point entirely.

I know that I have told you, again and again and again and yet again, that I, and Marcus, the only two in this thread that I know of who stand firm against homosexual sin, also stand firm against any and all other sin....including our own. I think I have given ample evidence of this in myself, and I see that he has done so as well.

Yet your posts in this thread show otherwise.

This is the last time I am going to answer this particular charge. With all the love in my heart, River, I am asking you sincerely to please, not make it again.
Thank you.

I'm not just talking about you...I'm talking about conservative Christians as a group.

You honestly do not see how selling me a bunch of fattening junk food would contribute to my sin....even after everything I have confessed to you here in this open forum, for all to see?
If that is so, then there is little point in talking to you about this issue at all.
You seem to have a massive blind spot.

*sigh*

Again you miss the point entirely. Never mind.

 

[River Jordan]

Unless I were to question him closely, I would not know if he were gay or not.

Then why don't you ask?

I wouldn't think a gay couple would get much useful advice from a Christ-based book on relationships, which would be geared to ordinary, God-approved, man and woman relationships.

Oh brother....

Unless he volunteers the information, how would I know?
Of course if he wanted rainbows on them, even I might ask...hoping against hope that he's going to tell me that they are for a little girl's "My Little Pony" party, or something.

So if you had even a slight reason to think the cupcakes might be for a gay event, it's worth asking. What about other sins? If the person is really fat, shouldn't you ask how many people they're for just to make sure she's not eating them all herself?

Surely you aren't going to tell me that a baker doesn't have any right to ask the names of the bride and groom?

Of course he does (but he doesn't have the right to discriminate). He also has the right to ask fat couples how many people the cake is for, or how much they're spending on the wedding, or any questions about any other sins. Yet it's only homosexuality that ever seems to come up.

 

[River Jordan]

No, I don't mean that. If a woman comes in, with her mother, and is asking about her wedding, and specifically calls for a perverted woman on woman cake - I not only have the Right of Association, but because I have a Right to Exercise my Religion - the State cannot (although it is perverted too and tries) force me to do something which I find religiously objectionable!

You can say that all you want, but the law is otherwise.

What you are describing is a liberal oxymoron - Christian homosexual couple.

If they are Christian, and they are to live by faith, then they are to come out of sin and live in Christ - and Jesus said: "Sin no more."

Homosexuality is a sin.

So I don't think they're truly Christian. They're Christian in name only by me - but I am not the Judge: God is. However, I am right to judge those IN the Church and let them know they're living in sin. So their deeds do not follow their professed faith - and faith without deed is dead.

Once again we see just how ugly your hatred is.

If someone tells me my labor is going to support sin: No!

Do you therefore go through a checklist of all sins for every single person you labor for?

I won't sell condoms. Problem solved. It is not right for me to sell something which aids and abets their sin.

It's about forcing me to do something which against my religion.

YOU however don't get it. YOU want to force people to violate their religiously held beliefs.

Why do I get the feeling that you would reserve this right only for yourself and those like you? But if a Muslim tried to exercise the same right, you'd be arguing the other side.

 

[Marcus O'Reillius]

You can say that all you want, but the law is otherwise.

God's Law never changes and IT says otherwise.

Once again we see just how ugly your hatred is.

Once again we see how un-Godly you are.
You are judging me not only incorrectly, but unfairly.

The true hatred is how you bring negative language onto this board and promote the acceptance of sin as normal.

Do you therefore go through a checklist of all sins for every single person you labor for?

You wouldn't know how to use a checklist. I use them all the time.
I don't associate with evil people.
I will not participate in their sin.
You don't need a checklist for that.

Why do I get the feeling that you would reserve this right only for yourself and those like you?

Because you make stuff up in your pretty little head and unfortunately for us, you not only believe what you think, you spew it all over a Christian message board about eschatology.

But if a Muslim tried to exercise the same right, you'd be arguing the other side.

Silly girl. If a Muslim exercises his "right" - but he'll wantonly kill the homosexual.

Which is why you don't bother to "inform" them of their "error" in not embracing homosexuals - they'll beat you, whip you, stone you and kill you.

 

[Marcus O'Reillius]

Here is an excellent example of a young girl who is so offended that she ignores basic facts.

Like homosexuality, like other sexual wrongs, is a sin.

Like the fact that Muslims rape women, little boys, and are also allowed to have sex with animals if neither of the first two are available.

Like how Christians who revere the Word of God refuse to water it down so people can practice their sin within the Church.

This little girl is how the Church of Laodicea becomes violently rejected by Jesus.

 

[Marcus O'Reillius]

If you want a glimpse at how little miss river jordan has been "educated", check out this link.

It's a chilling video spoof of our education system, except it's not really that far off from reality... in fact, it might describe the world in just a few short years.

 

[River Jordan]

Actually, this serves as a very good illustration of the sort of black/white thinking that is typical of right-wing fundamentalists. Apparently if someone (like me) says homosexuality is a sin, but also says it doesn't deserve special treatment over any other sin, that's just too nuanced for the fundamentalist and the only way they can process that is to throw us into the "you must think homosexuality isn't a sin at all" camp.

Fascinating. :mellow: