Truth7t7
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Excellent Post Rach, I agree 100%!Rach said:I'm not particularly sure I want to enter into this with you...not having seen how you jump on people and their opinions who differ from yours.
But, in an attempt to broaden understanding, if not approval, I'll give a very brief description of how I see it!!
The term 'Amillennialism' is perhaps not the best one, but it's what is used. 'Realized millenium' is maybe better. In general, I believe that there is very much a 'millenium', and era (not necessarily a literal 1000 years) where Jesus rules as King in glory. I just think that time is now. We know that on the cross Jesus dealt satan a blow. His defeat is assured, even if not yet realized. And we also know that when Jesus returned to heaven, He was seated at the right hand of His Father and given all power, glory and authority. So it's not just a 'symbolic' reign...I believe that He is reigning right now...spiritually and in a way, physically. Jesus is right now head of the Church. It's He who furthers the gospel through us, and ultimately controls everything. We know that everything good comes through Him, so as the gospel touches peoples lives and the world around us through it, we see the glory of God. His majesty, power and grace.
I cannot reconcile to scripture the idea of post-mil...where Christianity grows until there is a golden era of 'goodness' and then Christ comes. The bible is too plain in the fact that we will suffer...even more towards the end of time. And we are also told that humanity is incapable of 'goodness'. I can't see it happening, and I can't see the Bible supporting it.
As far as Pre-mil (and not the pre-trib kind) goes, I will say that it, after amil, makes more biblical sense then the rest of them, but I still cannot reconcile a lot of the "Jesus second coming" passages to it. As I said in my other post. I really see that the bible talks of Jesus second coming and 'the end' as the same event. The new heavens and new earth as that same event.
So, that's the basic idea...
Jesus Christ Is The Lord.
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I agree 100%,Retrobyter said:Shalom, horsecamp.
And if YOU really knew the Scriptures, you would be CHAGRINED by your own words! They are not "Jewish fairy tales"; they are words of prophecy which Hebrew prophets spoke and wrote down at the command of YHWH Eloheinu, YHWH our God! And, YHWH was not being covert in symbology! He spoke plainly in the Scriptures of a time when Yeshua` haMashiach (Jesus the Messiah or the Christ) SHALL reign over the earth! You not only need to re-read the prophecies of the Tanakh (the O.T., the ONLY BIBLE YESHUA` AND HIS DISCIPLES HAD), but you need to re-read the New Testament passages, such as Romans chapters 9 through 11, Ephesians chapters 1 and 2, and Hebrews chapters 9 through 11! Read them in their entirety and preferably in a single sitting! Read them in a good reference Bible so that you will see just how many O.T. verses were quoted within these passages! And, most importantly, read them for what THE PASSAGES say, not what you think they SHOULD say! Get information FROM the text; don't try to read INTO the text things the Scriptures don't say! You may discover passages such as ...
Jeremiah 31:31-40
31 "The time is coming," declares the LORD,
"when I will make a new covenant
with the house of Israel
and with the house of Judah.
32 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their forefathers
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband to them,"
declares the LORD.
33 "This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel
after that time," declares the LORD.
"I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
34 No longer will a man teach his neighbor,
or a man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,'
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,"
declares the LORD.
"For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more."
35 This is what the LORD says,
he who appoints the sun
to shine by day,
who decrees the moon and stars
to shine by night,
who stirs up the sea
so that its waves roar —
the LORD Almighty is his name:
36 "Only if these decrees vanish from my sight,"
declares the LORD,
"will the descendants of Israel ever cease
to be a nation before me."
37 This is what the LORD says:
"Only if the heavens above can be measured
and the foundations of the earth below be searched out
will I reject all the descendants of Israel
because of all they have done,"
declares the LORD.
38 "The days are coming," declares the LORD, "when this city (Jerusalem) will be rebuilt for me from the Tower of Hananel to the Corner Gate. 39 The measuring line will stretch from there straight to the hill of Gareb and then turn to Goah. 40 The whole valley where dead bodies and ashes are thrown, and all the terraces out to the Kidron Valley on the east as far as the corner of the Horse Gate, will be holy to the LORD. The city will never again be uprooted or demolished."
NIV
This passage can't be describing past events, because the city (Jerusalem) HAS been uprooted and demolished in 70 A.D. and again in 135 A.D. This isn't "figurative language," my friend! This is literal and descriptive of a time in the future.
Jeremiah 31:31-40 is a literal and descriptive time in the future.
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