Adrian Rogers Shows Calvinism to Be FALSE
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Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Joh 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Joh 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Ever read this portion thoughtfully, asking the Holy Spirit to give you understanding?
For God So Loved the World by John Owen (1616-1683) | Center for Reformed Theology and Apologetics
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Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
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1) "My Father, which gave them me," (ho pater mou ho dedoken moi) "My Father who has given (them) to me," Joh_14:28, those who came of their own volition, as He drew them by His Spirit, wooed or convicted them of sin, as taught of the Lord of their sins, guilt, and His call to repentance, Joh_6:37; Joh_6:45; Pro_1:19-31; Isa_55:6-7; note His giving them the Son was always and is the same, by repentance and faith in Jesus Christ, Act_10:43; 2Pe_3:9; Rev_19:10; Rev_22:17.
Garner
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A biblical/spiritual understanding of TULIP:
T = Total depravity of the flesh (Job 30:23; Job 34:15; Rom 7:18; Rom 8:5-8)
U = Unconditional election of Christ for all (Isa 42:1; Isa 44:1,3; Act 17:28; Col 1:16, Eph 1:10)
L = Limited atonement for the spirit (Rom 5:10; Rom 5:18; 1Co 5:5; 1Ti 3:16)
I = Irresistible grace of Christ for all (Joh 12:32; Joh 1:7; Isa 49:6; 1Ti 2:4,6; 1Ti 4:10)
P = Perseverance of the soul (body+spirit) (Ecc 8:8; Ecc 12:7; Isa 57:16-18; 1Co 15:44; 1Th 5:23; Rev 21:3-5)
T = Total depravity of the flesh (Job 30:23; Job 34:15; Rom 7:18; Rom 8:5-8)
U = Unconditional election of Christ for all (Isa 42:1; Isa 44:1,3; Act 17:28; Col 1:16, Eph 1:10)
L = Limited atonement for the spirit (Rom 5:10; Rom 5:18; 1Co 5:5; 1Ti 3:16)
I = Irresistible grace of Christ for all (Joh 12:32; Joh 1:7; Isa 49:6; 1Ti 2:4,6; 1Ti 4:10)
P = Perseverance of the soul (body+spirit) (Ecc 8:8; Ecc 12:7; Isa 57:16-18; 1Co 15:44; 1Th 5:23; Rev 21:3-5)
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It's speaking of all souls according to the spirit, not the flesh.
All souls were created in Christ - Christ being the image of God (Gen 1:27 with 2Co 4:4 and Col 1:15-16) and for Christ (Col 1:16). All souls consist in Christ (Col 1:17). All souls live, move and have their being in Him (Act 17:28). All souls, according to the spirit, are His seed and offspring (Act 17:28-29, Isa 44:3).
Therefore, all souls are elect in Christ (Eph 1:4,10), the Elect one of God (Isa 42:1).
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so some of the elect or sheep will not believe, and end up in eternal punishment? THAT is what this verse says, that out of the entire human race, there will be those who will be damned!
Lifelong_sinner
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actually the majority of mankind will end up in hell. In the grand scheme of things, very few will ever see Heaven.
The WORLD in John 3:16 is the entire human race, out of which, those who do believe on Jesus Christ, will not perish but have eternal life
IF, the WORLD is only the ELECT, then only those of the ELECT who do believe on Jesus Christ, will not perish but have eternal life, but the others will be damned.
Lifelong_sinner
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i think i see the problem here, and yes, ONLY the elect will be saved. None other. And all of the non-elect, which is the vast majority of humanity will goto hell.
so you agree that WORLD in John 3:16, is as Calvin says, EVERYONE WITHOUT EXCEPTION?
While I do believe that 3:16 does not mean EVERYONE EVER [the word in the greek is "all that", which is true. All the believe in him will not perish] However, I do not believe that the elect of God are a small group - I personally believe that the elect will outnumber the unelect in the end; I see Christ's victory as overwhelming the Devil in both quality and quantity.
J H Thayer
“the inhabitants of the earth, the human race” (Lexicon, p.357)
W Ardnt & F Gingrich
“the world as mankind…of all mankind, but especially of believers, as the objects of God’s love” (Lexicon, p.447)
Edward Robinson
“the world for the inhabitants of the earth, men mankind” (Lexicon, p.440)
John Parkhurst
“The world, i.e. the whole race of mankind, both believers and unbelievers, both good and bad” (Lexicon, p.336)
S T Bloomfield
“the world for its inhabitants, mankind” (Greek Lexicon, p. 227)
G Kittle and G Friedrich
“The cosmos is the universe (Jn.3:16-17, Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, One Vol. Ed., p. 464)
W E Vine
“the human race, mankind” (Expository Dictionary, p. 685)
John Calvin, had this to say on this verse:
“That whosoever believeth on him may not perish. It is a remarkable commendation of faith, that it frees us from everlasting destruction. For he intended expressly to state that, though we appear to have been born to death, undoubted deliverance is offered to us by the faith of Christ; and, therefore, that we ought not to fear death, which otherwise hangs over us. And he has employed the universal term whosoever, both to invite all indiscriminately to partake of life, and to cut off every excuse from unbelievers. Such is also the import of the term World, which he formerly used; for though nothing will be found in the world that is worthy of the favor of God, yet he shows himself to be reconciled to the whole world, when he invites all men without exception to the faith of Christ, which is nothing else than an entrance into life.”
Lifelong_sinner
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this is what john calvin said about john 3:16;
“That whosoever believeth on him may not perish. It is a remarkable commendation of faith, that it frees us from everlasting destruction. For he intended expressly to state that, though we appear to have been born to death, undoubted deliverance is offered to us by the faith of Christ; and, therefore, that we ought not to fear death, which otherwise hangs over us. And he has employed the universal term whosoever, both to invite all indiscriminately to partake of life, and to cut off every excuse from unbelievers. Such is also the import of the term World, which he formerly used; for though nothing will be found in the world that is worthy of the favor of God, yet he shows himself to be reconciled to the whole world, when he invites all men without exception to the faith of Christ, which is nothing else than an entrance into life.
Let us remember, on the other hand, that while life is promised universally to all who believe in Christ, still faith is not common to all. For Christ is made known and held out to the view of all, but the elect alone are they whose eyes God opens, that they may seek him by faith. Here, too, is displayed a wonderful effect of faith; for by it we receive Christ such as he is given to us by the Father — that is, as having freed us from the condemnation of eternal death, and made us heirs of eternal life, because, by the sacrifice of his death, he has atoned for our sins, that nothing may prevent God from acknowledging us as his sons. Since, therefore, faith embraces Christ, with the efficacy of his death and the fruit of his resurrection, we need not wonder if by it we obtain likewise the life of Christ.”
an easier way of saying this would be, the World is the enemy of God, yet still while “WE”were sinners, or of the World, He did have a plan to save some, the elect, from hell. To be saved is to be removed from the rest of the remaining Worldly people.
Exactly. Mankind. Any human KIND of person from any walk of life. God does not look at a poor man and say "nope he doesn't meet the criteria to be elect because he's poor" or "Oh nope sorry, my elect can't have that skin color" ; God invites all men without racial, background, monetary or any other kind of distinction other than His holy ordination from the beginning of time. What He is saying is that God did not elect people based upon anything; ALL kinds of men are welcome. But not every man ever.
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