Absolute truth - Do we know what it is?

[IronMaiden]

St. SteVen said:
What becomes of those who have not had that opportunity? Countless billions. Toast?

How does that help the countless billions who never had the opportunity?

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Habakkuk 2:14 (NKJV) For the earth will be filled With the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, As the waters cover the sea.

 

[St. SteVen]

Habakkuk 2:14 (NKJV) For the earth will be filled With the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, As the waters cover the sea.

Are you saying that everyone who has already passed to the realm of the dead (afterlife) will be transferred to the Millennium earth?

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[Marvelloustime]

Interfaith is ripe.
Unleash those exhortations to believe in the Lord Jesus, brother @amigo de christo

 

[amigo de christo]

Pass that message along to @St. SteVen , as He's teaching that you dont have to believe in Jesus to be saved.
All you have to be is born., and Salvation is automatic he says..
Noone has to trust in Christ, according to @St. SteVen , as He's teaching that everyone is automatically SAVED already.

many , and i do mean many , within christendom are now believing a fat lie . The HARLOT has infiltrated that realm .
Today the sin is to say ONE MUST BELIEVE and that if they do not they will be damned . That is todays lovey do sin
within the churches and it grows by the hour friend . You would marvel
at even those we have here who have bought a lie they beleive is the love of GOD .
But john told us what the love of GOD is and we BELIEVE it and do testify of it .
Many beleive that GOD is even fine with all religoins and that so long as they follow
the golden rule , TO LOVE GOD , to love their neighbor they are fine and know GOD .
WELL true that would be , BUT THE PROBLEM IS , IF ONE LOVETH NOT JESUS THE CHRIST , THENTHEY in no way LOVE GOD who sent HIM .
AS JESUS HIMSELF would say , HAD YOU LOVED GOD you would have loved ME for i came forth of HIM .
SO you see THEY DO NOT keep the golden rule .
IN fact if we really look into this false love of the world message , ITS NOTHING but a message
which says YE DONT NEED JESUS THE CHRIST to ATTAIN , YE CAN ATTAIN ON YOUR OWN . and boy is that a fat LIE .
WITH man it is IMPOSSIBLE . ALL need JESUS THE CHRIST .

 

[amigo de christo]

Interfaith is ripe.
Unleash those exhortations to believe in the Lord Jesus, brother @amigo de christo

And more and more grow under influence of the lie . On this path the END will surely come .
What they call love is nothing more than an abomination TO GOD , TO HIS CHRIST .
LOVE REJOICES IN TRUTH . NOT A LIE . their love rejoices in inquity , in a lie .
And it will not and shall not save them but rather shall bring down the wrath of GOD and of the lamb
UPON THEM as they chant their solution they believe will bring peace n safety on earth .

 

[Marvelloustime]

many , and i do mean many , within christendom are now believing a fat lie . The HARLOT has infiltrated that realm .
Today the sin is to say ONE MUST BELIEVE and that if they do not they will be damned . That is todays lovey do sin
within the churches and it grows by the hour friend . You would marvel
at even those we have here who have bought a lie they beleive is the love of GOD .
But john told us what the love of GOD is and we BELIEVE it and do testify of it .
Many beleive that GOD is even fine with all religoins and that so long as they follow
the golden rule , TO LOVE GOD , to love their neighbor they are fine and know GOD .
WELL true that would be , BUT THE PROBLEM IS , IF ONE LOVETH NOT JESUS THE CHRIST , THENTHEY in no way LOVE GOD who sent HIM .
AS JESUS HIMSELF would say , HAD YOU LOVED GOD you would have loved ME for i came forth of HIM .
SO you see THEY DO NOT keep the golden rule .
IN fact if we really look into this false love of the world message , ITS NOTHING but a message
which says YE DONT NEED JESUS THE CHRIST to ATTAIN , YE CAN ATTAIN ON YOUR OWN . and boy is that a fat LIE .
WITH man it is IMPOSSIBLE . ALL need JESUS THE CHRIST .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

And more and more grow under influence of the lie . On this path the END will surely come .
What they call love is nothing more than an abomination TO GOD , TO HIS CHRIST .
LOVE REJOICES IN TRUTH . NOT A LIE . their love rejoices in inquity , in a lie .
And it will not and shall not save them but rather shall bring down the wrath of GOD and of the lamb
UPON THEM as they chant their solution they believe will bring peace n safety on earth .

@amigo de christo

 

[amigo de christo]

Habakkuk 2:14 (NKJV) For the earth will be filled With the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, As the waters cover the sea.

and a lie is not the glory of GOD .
CHRIST JESUS IS THE GLORY of GOD . Thus if a man cometh
and brings a so called love message that gives out false hope unto unbelievers who DENY HIM
and behaves as though the path to GOD be broad . THAT MAN BE A LIAR and the TRUTH is not in them .
CHRIST is being denied by todays so called love that many THINK be of GOD .
But the LOVE that cometh of GOD
the charity of GOD , well it rejoices IN TRUTH and not inquity , not a lie .
No matter how loving the lie sounded to the decieved who bought it , IT WILL NOT
nor shall its father be able to save them . its father DENIED THE FATHER
and its son is none other than a son of perdition . it is the same one who worked a lie unto eve in the garden
saying SURELY YE SHALL NOT DIE
As today it says OH SURELY YE shall not perish , be damned IF ye believe NOT JESUS is the CHRIST . ITS A LIAR .
And lambs dont heed the liar and its well piped lie it calleth love .

 

[amigo de christo]

@St. SteVen

@Behold is 100% CORRECT on his exposure of the heresy of "everyone is SAVED"

@St. SteVen Here is the TRUTH

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

18“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”

what lovely words of truth you brought my friend .
And WHO said these words . JESUS THE CHRIST . and now a word for all to hear and to believe .
IF JESUS said it , GUESS WHO SAID IT ............................alllow a short drum roll please ........................................................GOD DID .
LET GOD BE TRUE but every man a liar . Many are calling GOD a liar and letting men be true . BIG MISTAKE .

 

[Behold]

That is a misrepresentation of what the verse says.

The Cross of Christ is offered, universally.

To receive this which Christ offers as God's Salvation, has to be received by Faith.

The NT teaches this as : "Justification by FAITH"..

The reason that we have Missionaries and Ministers, is to offer the Gospel to a world filled with Unbelievers so that they might BELIEVE and be SAVED.
= If they will Trust... if they will believe the Gospel, and give God their Faith in Christ that He requires, then God will give them "The Gift of Salvation".

This is "Justification BY Faith".

You are denying this because you are a deceiver who, @St. SteVen .... i believe, knows you are willlfully lying to any unbeliever or member on This Forum.... when you tell them that they are already become a Christian, even tho they have never believed in Jesus, and are not born again.

So, if an unbeliever believes you, then you have sent then to Hell, unless later they meet a real believer, who leads them to FAITH in Christ so that God can save them, through their FAITH in Christ.

 

[Marvelloustime]

what lovely words of truth you brought my friend .
And WHO said these words . JESUS THE CHRIST . and now a word for all to hear and to believe .
IF JESUS said it , GUESS WHO SAID IT ............................alllow a short drum roll please ........................................................GOD DID .
LET GOD BE TRUE but every man a liar . Many are calling GOD a liar and letting men be true . BIG MISTAKE .

@amigo de christo

 

[David in NJ]

By what means are we saved?

Was the Atonement a complete work, or an incomplete work?

1 John 2:2 NIV
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

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What part of these words of the LORD that you do not understand???

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

18“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”

 

[amigo de christo]

What part of these words of the LORD that you do not understand???

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

18“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”

The delusion to merge the decieved is hitting its peak hour my friend .
The decieved WILL UNITE and be as one man , one mind and one heart and will believe
they teach the Love of GOD and follow GOD . but it is satan who has come in his own name
and has preached a message of what he calleth love and the decieved will buy it and merge as one .
their god will be the LOVE of THIS WORLD , the love that glorified man , not GOD
the love that glorified anti christ and satan and all this is unholy and wicked . But they will believe IT ISGOD
and HIS LOVE they do follow and on that very very BROAD INCLUSIVE DIVERSE and strange path
they all will MEET their end on the day of the judgment of THE GOD whom their love DENIED .
TO the trenches david , let us do all by the power of GOD to proclaim truth , expose the lie and the lie
KNOWING FULL well the cost will be great . For it wont just be words against us , MUCH BLOOD will be spilled
by many lambs during the greatest tribulation hour of all tribulations to come against the true NON CONFORMING
Church of CHRIST .

 

[amigo de christo]

What part of these words of the LORD that you do not understand???

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

18“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”

ya might want to remind him not only what part of those words of the LORD he does not understand
but what part of IF JESUS said it GOD said is he and many not grasping , as they often love to twist and dimiss many of His
sayings to JUSTIFY the sayings of man . This path many be on is very broad my friend . very very broad .
GOD has spoken through the SON and yet many choose to twist them words unto their own destruction .

 

[David in NJ]

ya might want to remind him not only what part of those words of the LORD he does not understand
but what part of IF JESUS said it GOD said is he and many not grasping , as they often love to twist and dimiss many of His
sayings to JUSTIFY the sayings of man . This path many be on is very broad my friend . very very broad .
GOD has spoken through the SON and yet many choose to twist them words unto their own destruction .

Proverbs 30:5-6
Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.

 

[St. SteVen]

What part of these words of the LORD that you do not understand???

That's where I stopped reading.

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[Runningman]

Jesus said to Pilate, "... the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth.
Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.” Pilate asked Jesus, "What is truth?" - John 18:37-38 NIV

Still a good question.

Absolute truth - Do we know what it is?

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Even though I am a Christian, I accept that most of what the Bible says relies on its own internal witness. Much of its content is not falsifiable, so there is no way to truly debunk it or prove that something it says is wrong. That's actually a big part of why we can debate the Bible without anyone ever really winning or losing—it's one of the Bible's strengths. As far as it being the truth, yes, I believe it is, as a Christian, but ultimately, it's all about faith or trust. A major theme of the Bible is essentially, "Trust what I am saying and take my word for it," and that's it. So, without third-party verification of what the precise truth is, there should be signs or something that prove what it says is true.

 

[St. SteVen]

I accept that most of what the Bible says relies on its own internal witness. Much of its content is not falsifiable, so there is no way to truly debunk it or prove that something it says is wrong.

I disagree.
Plenty of the Bible is indeed falsifiable. Contradictions abound.
The problem from my POV is trusting in God apart from the Bible and Christian doctrine.

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[MatthewG]

Even though I am a Christian, I accept that most of what the Bible says relies on its own internal witness. Much of its content is not falsifiable, so there is no way to truly debunk it or prove that something it says is wrong. That's actually a big part of why we can debate the Bible without anyone ever really winning or losing—it's one of the Bible's strengths. As far as it being the truth, yes, I believe it is, as a Christian, but ultimately, it's all about faith or trust. A major theme of the Bible is essentially, "Trust what I am saying and take my word for it," and that's it. So, without third-party verification of what the precise truth is, there should be signs or something that prove what it says is true.

Hello runningman,

Nice layout in my opinion. Makes a lot of sense at least to me. That’s why I suggest no one should take anyone’s word not even my own and read the Bible for oneself. If it’s possible of course. Many people have trouble reading but those who can I encourage to do so.

 

[David in NJ]

That's where I stopped reading.

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WHY?

When people ask me to read the Scriptures i READ every word!!!

SHALOM