Absolute truth - Do we know what it is?

[St. SteVen]

Jesus said to Pilate, "... the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth.
Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.” Pilate asked Jesus, "What is truth?" - John 18:37-38 NIV

Still a good question.

Absolute truth - Do we know what it is?

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[Randy Kluth]

Jesus said to Pilate, "... the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth.
Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.” Pilate asked Jesus, "What is truth?" - John 18:37-38 NIV

Still a good question.

Absolute truth - Do we know what it is?

Historic question in philosophy--epistemological question. A good portion of the history of philosophy devotes itself to this question. How can we see things but as men, and certainly not as God sees them. And since things consist of smaller things, they can be rearranged, questioning what they are in their various forms.

And since our eyes see things, perhaps our eyes are interpreting things differently than how others with different senses perceive them? Well, we can't be silly and must restrict ourselves to human experience, like it or not. Things are as we all in common experience them. We know those things with absolute truth.

But what makes things absolutely true, and not a deception? It is when God the Creator reveals to us the truth. Since we are defective we may mistake some experiences as from God when they are not. So we have to recognize we're fallible.

But certain truths from God about our Salvation are infallible because God has made doubly sure, through a variety of sources, that we can be assured of certain things. We have Scriptures. We have history. We have fellow Christians with their common experiences, common revelations, and common truths.

The new nature we receive from Christ when we adopt him as our life is absolute truth. Nominal Christianity does not fully perceive this, though they do experience the power of Christ. They know something happens from God. But they are not completely changed. They deny a new nature is lasting and real. True born again Christians know differently.

There are many truths that lead up to this conclusion. I don't hope to cover any but a minimal amount here.

 

[St. SteVen]

But what makes things absolutely true, and not a deception? It is when God the Creator reveals to us the truth.

Does God reveal the same truth to everyone? The "absolute" truth?

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[St. SteVen]

But certain truths from God about our Salvation are infallible because God has made doubly sure, through a variety of sources, that we can be assured of certain things. We have Scriptures. We have history. We have fellow Christians with their common experiences, common revelations, and common truths.

Thanks for your post. (#2)
I'm re-reading an old topic. And your post, obviously. (stood out to me)
Especially this paragraph.

There seems to be a variety of opinions about "certain truths from God about our Salvation".
Your statement about our assurance (of salvation?) stands in stark contrast to those who claim we can lose our salvation.
An assertion they can defend with scriptural "proof-texts". I believe in eternal security. For which there are also "proof-texts".

Here's the question: Can we claim absolute truth based on our experiences? Even shared experiences?
Or are a group with common experiences a group of circumstances that happen to align?

The witness of experience seems powerful to me, but how reliable is it? Personally, yes; but ultimately?

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[Windmill Charge]

Does God reveal the same truth to everyone? The "absolute" truth

If people will listen, then yes the same truth about salvation is revealed to all men.

 

[St. SteVen]

If people will listen, then yes the same truth about salvation is revealed to all men.

Do you know what an unreached people group is?
Countless billions have gone to the afterlife with no knowledge whatsoever of the gospel.

It is estimated that of the 8.00 billion people alive in the world today, 3.40 billion of them live in unreached people groups with little or no access to the Gospel of Jesus Christ. According to Joshua Project, there are approximately 17,446 unique people groups in the world with 7,391 of them considered unreached (over 42% of the world’s population)! The vast majority (85%) of these least reached groups exist in the 10/40 window and less than 3% of missionary work is done among these people. Watch this brief video to learn more! SOURCE

This 3 minute video explains.

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[Windmill Charge]

Do you know what an unreached people group is?
Countless billions have gone to the afterlife with no knowledge whatsoever of the gospel.

For the last twenty years our church has been supporting a witclife translator, summer school teachers and a local church seeking to reach a neighbouring tribal group with no known Christians in it.
So yes I know what an uneached people group is.
Neither you or I are responsible for whether people have heard the gospel or how they respond to the gospel.
We are responsible for witnessing and encouraging others. It is God who saves not us.


Don5 look at the size of the task, that will only discourage you, look at what you can do to reach those in your neighbourhood and beyond.

 

[St. SteVen]

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[St. SteVen]

Don5 look at the size of the task, that will only discourage you, look at what you can do to reach those in your neighbourhood and beyond.

I like this scripture on that subject.
There are divine appointments laid out before us.
We just need to act.

Ephesians 2:10 NIV
For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works,
which God prepared in advance for us to do.

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[amigo de christo]

For the last twenty years our church has been supporting a witclife translator, summer school teachers and a local church seeking to reach a neighbouring tribal group with no known Christians in it.
So yes I know what an uneached people group is.
Neither you or I are responsible for whether people have heard the gospel or how they respond to the gospel.
We are responsible for witnessing and encouraging others. It is God who saves not us.


Don5 look at the size of the task, that will only discourage you, look at what you can do to reach those in your neighbourhood and beyond.

We can only preach the one true original gospel . Sirs what must i do to be saved , BELIEVE YE on JESUS the CHRIST .
I sure see another gospel which is NO gospel at work today . The lie of interfaith
which says that the christain truth is no better than any other religoins truth . That lie be of anti christ .
and it wont save squat my friend . JESUS must be preached and who so ever hears amen
but who so ever rejects will be damned .

 

[amigo de christo]

If people will listen, then yes the same truth about salvation is revealed to all men.

There are men amongst us who have come to plant doubts and to lead us into that which is of interfaith which is of anti christ .
ALways hold firm to the one true only gospel that does save .
And never let them move you away from the sounding out of that gospel .
Intefaith will gather many but save NONE . it has brought the lie within christendom and more and more do buy into it .
It has come to merge all peoples , tribes , religoins under what they beleive is God and his love ,
ONLY IT Aint GOD and it aint HIS LOVE . JESUS has BEEN DENIED . all them interfaith leaders
believe we all serving the same God and that our truth is no better than any other religoins .
You need to see what this pope in this huge interfaith meeting said . IT was outright blasphemous and of anti christ .
Many can lip His name and yet do all to lead us into this blasphemous mindset of interfaith and the lie .

 

[amigo de christo]

Does God reveal the same truth to everyone? The "absolute" truth?

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GOD never reveals a lie to anyone . His Spirit would testify OF JESUS the CHRIST
Thus all other religons do not know HIM , still walk in darkness ,
And need to hear about the absolute dire need to BELIEVE JESUS is the CHRIST .
and that aint what interfaith is about at all . IF you bother to read what both the POPE himself
and these other interfaith religoins leaders said . IT DENIES JESUS the CHRIST .
it claims a fat lie my friend .
So allow me to remind us all about WHO calls GOD a liar
lest many be tempted to beleive the lie that other religoins do serve GOD .
HE who does NOT BELEIVE the testimony that GOD gave OF the SON , CALLS GOD A LIAR . yeah , A LIAR .

 

[Behold]

Absolute truth - Do we know what it is?

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Of course there is "absolute Truth"

He is JESUS who told us...>>"I AM..THE Truth".

Notice "THE">........as in The ONLY....

A.) = So, Jesus is not some truth, or most truth, or a part of the overall Truth........= Jesus is THE Truth..

John 14:6

So, when we have HIM as OUR Truth, then we have THE Truth..

Accept no substitutes....

 

[amigo de christo]

Of course there is "absolute Truth"

He is JESUS who told us...>>"I AM..THE Truth".

Notice "THE">........as in The ONLY....

A.) = So, Jesus is not some truth, or most truth, or a part of the Truth...............Jesus is THE Truth..

John 14:6

So, when we have HIM as OUR Truth, then we have THE Truth..

Accept no substitutes....

And the Absolute truth , the SPIRIT testifies , For HE shall TESTIFY OF ME , said JESUS long , long ago .
So if any cometh and tries to merge christendom with the false religoins and says hey
our truth is no better than theirs , THAT BE known as A LIE that DENIES JESUS THE CHRIST .
These people are trying to plant doubts my friend . always yacking on about the billions of this or that
and always trying to play to our heart strings so as they can convince us of another good sounding gospel
THAT AINT NO GOSPEL . Preach JESUS or its all VAIN . the DIRE NEED to BELIEVE ON HIM , having FAITH IN HIM .
cause budda , muhammed , and any other , no matter how many good works they tried to do ,
IT WONT save a ONE of them . ONLY JESUS can .

 

[St. SteVen]

Of course there is "absolute Truth"

He is JESUS who told us...>>"I AM..THE Truth".

Notice "THE">........as in The ONLY....

A.) = So, Jesus is not some truth, or most truth, or a part of the overall Truth........= Jesus is THE Truth..

What does that mean from a practical POV?

Isn't Jesus THE truth in one specific sense? Not absolute truth?

What does it mean that Jesus is the truth? (the way, the truth, the life)

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[Wrangler]

Absolute truth - Do we know what it is?

Compound question. The moral relativists, the enemies of God deny absolute truth exists.

Once you overcome that quandary, is another branch of philosophy, epistemology. How to know something and what are the limits of knowledge?

Many moral relativists claim by implication you cannot know one thing unless you know all things. Of course, this is false. One thing I know absolutely is that you will continue to initiate many threads! LOL

 

[Behold]

christendom with the false religoins

Christianity is not a Religion.

How do you know?

Its because Religions are "man made"..

Whereas....Christianity is GOD Made.

Those are not the same.

 

[St. SteVen]

One thing I know absolutely is that you will continue to initiate many threads! LOL

Absolutely! - LOL
Please weigh in on this new one. Thanks.

Reader Poll - Bible Reading - BEFORE or AFTER you became a Christian?

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www.christianityboard.com

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[St. SteVen]

Compound question. The moral relativists, the enemies of God deny absolute truth exists.

Are they wrong?
A person can be an "enemy" of God and still be right about something.

Anyone who claims to be an enemy of God hasn't met Him yet.

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[Wrangler]

Are they wrong?
A person can be an "enemy" of God and still be right about something.

Yes, they are wrong.

Appeal to Strawman. I did not say enemies of God cannot be right about some things. I said they are wrong in denying the existence of absolute truth.