Absolute truth - Do we know what it is?

[Behold]

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Here is what He believes..


A.) St. SteVen said:

"""This is why I think it is a mistake to assume a person has to make a decision before they enter the afterlife."""

See that?
He's talking about making a decision to become a Christian when the UNBELIEVER is alive......is "making a Mistake to assume" it needs to be done..
He is now trying to pretend that he was only and always "taking about Christians".......so, if that is true then why would he post about "making a decision" for Christ.

Also..
@St. SteVen posted.

""""""Everyone is already saved due to the completed work of the atonement.""""""

So, @David in NJ ... I don think you believe that unbelievers never born again are already Christians.

He does.

@St. SteVen posted

""""""Everyone is already saved due to the completed work of the atonement.""""""

 

[David in NJ]

That was a mistake., as He's not telling you the truth.

Here is what He believes..


A.) St. SteVen said:

"""This is why I think it is a mistake to assume a person has to make a decision before they enter the afterlife."""

See that?
He's talking about making a decision to become a Christian when the UNBELIEVER is alive......is "making a Mistake to assume" it needs to be done..
He is now trying to pretend that he was only and always "taking about Christians".......so, if that is true then why would he post about "making a decision" for Christ.

Also..
@St. SteVen posted.

""""""Everyone is already saved due to the completed work of the atonement.""""""

So, @David in NJ ... I don think you believe that unbelievers never born again are already Christians.

He does.

@St. SteVen posted

""""""Everyone is already saved due to the completed work of the atonement.""""""

@St. SteVen

@Behold is 100% CORRECT on his exposure of the heresy of "everyone is SAVED"

@St. SteVen Here is the TRUTH

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

18“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”

 

[Behold]

@St. SteVen

@Behold is 100% CORRECT on his exposure of the heresy of "everyone is SAVED"

@St. SteVen Here is the TRUTH

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

18“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”

Universalism, rejects "Justification by Faith".

Therefore, to reject "Our faith is accepted by God".. and to REJECT that ONLY = "ALL who believe in Jesus.. shall be saved". = That our FAITH is NECESSARY for Salvation.......To reject this as He teaches....proves that His teaching that He is SELLING.,= rejects the CROSS of CHRIST.

Now, he'll do some damage control, attempts and say...>>"well, everyone can believe after they are DEAD".. and so, that is one more Heresy up and running, among the others.

So...That's what He's teaching..

He's teaching that no Faith in Christ is necessary, while you are alive...........or at all......as everyone is already saved.
So that is a CROSS Denying LIE.

It looks like this... Reader..

@St. SteVen posted..

""""""Everyone is already saved due to the completed work of the atonement.""""""

 

[St. SteVen]

Now, he'll do some damage control, attempts and say...>>"well, everyone can believe after they are DEAD"..

Countless billions have gone to the afterlife with no knowledge of Christ.
Will God consign them to eternal conscious torment?

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[St. SteVen]

@St. SteVen posted..

""""""Everyone is already saved due to the completed work of the atonement.""""""

Are you claiming that the Atonement was an incomplete work, or that we have to save ourselves?
Which is it?

1 John 2:2 NIV
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

Romans 11:32, 36
32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
36 For from him and through him and for him are all things.
To him be the glory forever! Amen.

Titus 2:11 ESV
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people,

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[St. SteVen]

@St. SteVen

@Behold is 100% CORRECT on his exposure of the heresy of "everyone is SAVED"

By what means are we saved?

Was the Atonement a complete work, or an incomplete work?

1 John 2:2 NIV
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

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[Behold]

Countless billions have gone to the afterlife with no knowledge of Christ.

That's your opinion......you've stated it a few times...

I told you the last time that you are of "little faith"... if any,..... and if you were of faith, you would realize..

"With GOD, all things are possible".

Did God not create the SUN to be at an exact distance from Earth so that it keeps us warm, vs burning everything into a cinder?
So, if God can do that......you find it implausible that he can get the Gospel to everyone in Iran, in Iraq, and also into some Ethiopian Jungle Tree-House?

Listen....The God who hung the moon, the stars, and created "everything after its kind".... THIS Amazing God is able to work beyond cell phones, and the internet........regarding getting the Gospel around the world to everyone.
When you were just sleeping God was working.
You have no idea of the missionaries in this world who are "under cover" smuggling in bibles... and water baptizing converts.

See you were too busy wasting your time with your nose stuck in some commentary that lied to you about "universal salvation", when you should have read that so called "error" bible you reject, when it showed you that God will use a big fish and a person who does not even want to do it... to get the message anywhere and everywhere He wants it to Go.
And as God has Sent JESUS into WORLD, then you can believe that His Message is everywhere in it.

Will God consign them to eternal conscious torment?

"Hell was created for the Devil and His angels."

It exists, as surely as your fingers exist.
And that is why Jesus said its better to cut off your hand and tear out your eye then to go to Hell.

So, here is why unbelievers go to the place created for the DEVIL.

Its because Jesus said this about humanity........>"you are of YOUR FATHER.. the Devil"

See that?
That is the Spiritual union that is everyone maintains, before they are BORN AGAIN Spiritually by Father God., and thereby become a Son-Daughter of God, vs = remaining a child of the DEVIL.

See, when you are lying to people in your life, and on this forum, by telling them that they are already saved.. and they are not born again.. You are telling a child of the devil, that they belong to God.
And if they believe you, then you just sent them to Hell if they are never born again before they die.
That's on you.

See, This is why Jesus told YOU, that "you must be born again"....as if you dont change Spiritual Fathers before you die..., you end up in Hell with the one you remain "IN"...., vs being born again.

 

[St. SteVen]

@St. SteVen Here is the TRUTH

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

This scripture agrees with my POV.
Verse 17 reads: "For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world,
but that the world through Him might be saved." Which reminds me of this one below:
Did Jesus fail his mission?

1 John 4:14 NIV
And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.

18“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”

This scripture does not take into account those who never heard. Or perhaps it does...
It says those who do not believe are condemned already.
There must be an opportunity. Countless billions have never had a chance to respond.

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[Behold]

By what means are we saved?

Once we give God our Faith in Christ, then God does the rest.

A.) No Faith in Christ on earth... then no Salvation for you is found after you DIE.

Was the Atonement a complete work, or an incomplete work?

Its completed and its universally offered...but its only given.. its only imputed when you BELIEVE.

You have to give God your faith in Christ to receive what Jesus has fully accomplished.

1 John 2:2 NIV
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

Yes, but that sacrifice has a stipulation..

"All who BELIEVE In Jesus, shall be saved".. and that offer is for the person on this EARTH.
Not after you die, as if you die as an unbeliever, there is no 2nd chance in Hell, for you.

 

[Behold]

This scripture agrees with my POV.
Verse 17 reads: "For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world,
but that the world through Him might be saved."

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Read your verse very carefully.

Your verse says that "through Jesus = we MIGHT be saved".

"MIGHT be"..

That is not "have been".......as you are trying to twist your verse say to fit your lying Universalism deception @St. SteVen

So the "MIGHT BE" is based on...>>"Have you believed in Jesus" "have you given your faith in Christ to God, before you die". ????????????????

Have you trusted in Christ by FAITH, so that "Faith is counted by God".. before Hebrews 9:27 finds you ??

If not, you are an UNBELIEVER found here...John 3:36... and you are currently in damnation, separated from God and you are going to Hell.

John 3:36

 

[Marvelloustime]

Get back daily to reading those bibles and stay in prayers to the Lord. The only way to receive everlasting life is believing in the biblical Lord Jesus Christ. Be ready. His return is very close.

 

[St. SteVen]

@Behold is 100% CORRECT on his exposure of the heresy of "everyone is SAVED"

I'm not afraid of labels like heresy.

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[Behold]

Get back daily to reading those bibles and stay in prayers to the Lord. The only way to receive everlasting life is believing in the biblical Lord Jesus Christ. Be ready. His return is very close.

Pass that message along to @St. SteVen , as He's teaching that you dont have to believe in Jesus to be saved.
All you have to be is born., and Salvation is automatic he says..
Noone has to trust in Christ, according to @St. SteVen , as He's teaching that everyone is automatically SAVED already.

 

[St. SteVen]

@St. SteVen

@Behold is 100% CORRECT on his exposure of the heresy of "everyone is SAVED"

@St. SteVen Here is the TRUTH

It might help for you to understand how I came to see things the way I do now.
I find it interesting that my words are so threatening to the status quo that posters have resorted
to "screaming" in large letters to silence me rather than trying to understand what I am saying.

Several years ago there was a situation that arose in my family on my wife's side.
Her sister had informed her mother that she couldn't believe in a God that would send people to hell.
I shared all the standard apologetics on the subject that I knew, but it left me flat.

Hell had always been a problem. A blemish on the plan of God for humankind.
I had even seen a shift away from the hellfire and brimstone preaching.
Now it was "eternal separation from God" (whatever that means to you) ???

Researching the subject I discovered that there were three views of "hell".
This had never even been mentioned in my church.
1) Damnationism
2) Annihilationism
3) Universalism
All three views were both biblical and contradictory.

To make a long story short. only Universalism fit the character of God as I understood it.
And UR (Ultimate Redemption) was a primary doctrine in the early church in the East.

"The Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge" by Schaff-Herzog, 1908, volume 12, page 96 German theologian- Philip Schaff, Editor: "In the first five or six centuries of Christianity there were six theological schools, of which four (Alexandria, Antioch, Caesarea, and Edessa, or Nisibis) were Universalist, one (Ephesus) accepted conditional immortality; one (Carthage or Rome) taught endless punishment of the wicked. Other theological schools are mentioned as founded by Universalists, but their actual doctrine on this subject is not known."

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[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
This scripture agrees with my POV.
Verse 17 reads: "For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world,
but that the world through Him might be saved."

Read your verse carefully.

Your verse says that "through Jesus = we MIGHT be saved".

"MIGHT be"..

That is a misrepresentation of what the verse says.

The word "but" shows that there are two contrasting ideas here.
The comparison is between condemnation and salvation.
Jesus was NOT sent to condemn the world BUT to save the world.

The word "might" does not carry the meaning of "maybe".
Is Jesus a "sort of" savior? - LOL

Not to condemn, BUT to save.

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[St. SteVen]

So the "MIGHT BE" is based on...>>"Have you believed in Jesus" "have you given your faith in Christ to God, before you die". ????????????????

What becomes of those who have not had that opportunity? Countless billions. Toast?

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[IronMaiden]

Not to condemn, BUT to save.

Not to condemn, but to save those who will believe in Him.

 

[IronMaiden]

What becomes of those who have not had that opportunity? Countless billions. Toast?

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There will be a Millennium when Jesus returns at the 7th trump. This Millennial Kingdom of Christ will exist before the Great White Throne Judgment.

 

[St. SteVen]

Not to condemn, but to save those who will believe in Him.

Right.
Everyone will believe in Him.
Those in heaven and on earth and under the earth (in the realm of the dead).

Everyone who has knees to bow and a tongue to speak, in heaven and on earth and under the earth (in the realm of the dead), will whole-heartedly, and without reservation, acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord. No one can say that “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit. If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” you will be saved. Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. (the reason for the bodily resurrection) Scriptural support below.

Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

1 Corinthians 12:3
Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says,
“Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

Romans 10:9
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart
that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Romans 14:9
For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that
he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.

Note on "acknowledge" in Philippians 2:11 from Strong's Concordance
S1843 eksomologéō (from 1537 /ek, "wholly out from," intensifying 3670 /homologéō, "say the same thing about") – properly, fully agree and to acknowledge that agreement openly (whole-heartedly); hence, to confess ("openly declare"), without reservation (no holding back).

Further reading: Isaiah 45:23; Romans 14:11; Revelation 15:4

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[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
What becomes of those who have not had that opportunity? Countless billions. Toast?

There will be a Millennium when Jesus returns at the 7th trump. This Millennial Kingdom of Christ will exist before the Great White Throne Judgment.

How does that help the countless billions who never had the opportunity?

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