Absolute truth - Do we know what it is?

[Behold]

Two different things.
A mistake to assume... not a mistake to trust Christ.

@St. SteVen said.

""""""Everyone is already saved due to the completed work of the atonement.""""""


See this lie you posted? You are teaching that people who have never trusted in CHRIST, are already become a CHRISTIAN.

Do you think the Mods should approve of this type of amazing Heresy that you are spewing out, on a "christian" forum, because you think its funny to get away with it?

And you now want to pretend that .... you didnt say that its = not important that someone BELIEVE in Jesus before they DIE, as you are teaching that they can believe later.., but they dont really need to as you are teaching that all unbelievers, are "already Saved".

So, maybe these members and these Mods dont understand how you are trying to VAIL and HIDE what you are teaching.

Listen, i can paste your deception for another month, YOUR QUOTES.... if you keep trying to change what you meant.. into something that isn't what you really mean, to try to hide what you doing here on the Forum.

What you told this Forum, is that anyone can wait till after they are DEAD to be saved, as you are teaching that they are already become a CHRISTIAN, even tho, they have NOT YET Trusted in Christ.

Here is what you are teaching...and this is extreme blasphemy that is designed to lead someone to believe they dont actually have to trust in Christ at all........and they are still going to heaven.
You're leading unbelievers to Hell @St. SteVen

Should the MODS approve?


@St. SteVen posted.

""""""Everyone is already saved due to the completed work of the atonement.""""""

 

[MatthewG]

Saved to the Kingdom of Heaven, is a real thing having faith in Christ today, and building up the spiritual man through abiding in Christ is a real thing. So is not being saved to the Kingdom of Heaven. There are people on the outside of it. I don't think they are suffering but I do believe they do not want anything to do with God. I do believe that people whom are of the Kingdom of heaven, may go out to help those who are outside the kingdom to come to Christ, however... That could take forever. There is only one way to get to God, and sometimes that is through the Lake of fire, in my opinion, and according to the bible.

There are some that just believe that people die and go straight into the Kingdom of Heaven. I don't believe that is right according to the bible. Sure they go to the heavenly realm, because hell is over with, but there is a separation, according to Revelation.

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are those who wash their robes. They will be permitted to enter through the gates of the city and eat the fruit from the tree of life. 15 Outside the city are the dogs—the sorcerers, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idol worshipers, and all who love to live a lie.

Make out what you want of it.

Revelation 21:But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

 

[Behold]

2) This is a Christian forum. I wasn't speaking to unbelievers.

@St. SteVen posted.

""""""Everyone is already saved due to the completed work of the atonement.""""""


You posted that "everyone"... "Is already saved".

Unbelievers, are a part of your ""Everyone"" ..... as that is your = Universalism Cult Theology, @St. SteVen .

Its a bit too late to try to deny it, as i have your quotes.

 

[David in NJ]

Jesus said to Pilate, "... the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth.
Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.” Pilate asked Jesus, "What is truth?" - John 18:37-38 NIV

Still a good question.

Absolute truth - Do we know what it is?

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The WORD that was God = IAM the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE = ABSOLUTELY , 24/7 = you can trust your life on Him

 

[St. SteVen]

Universalism Cult Theology

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[St. SteVen]

@St. SteVen posted.

""""""Everyone is already saved due to the completed work of the atonement.""""""

1 John 2:2 NIV
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

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[St. SteVen]

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[Behold]

Apokatastasis ​

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@St. SteVen posted.

""""""Everyone is already saved due to the completed work of the atonement.""""""


See what you posted?
This is teaching everyone is already a Christian, even if they have never trusted in Christ and are not born again.

Incredible blasphemy.

 

[Behold]

1 John 2:2 NIV
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

Yes, and all you have to do to receive the Salvation that Jesus died on the Cross to give you.........is give your Faith in Christ to God.

As "God would that everyone Believe". .so that He can save them.

Or as Jesus told YOU....>"""All who BELIEVE in me.. .I give unto them Eternal Life, and they shall never go to HELL (Perish).""


See that BELIEVING?

If you dont BELIEVE, then you are this one.., and take note of the word "REMAINS"..

John 3:36

"All who BELIEVE on the Son have everlasting life.. but those who do not believe shall not see Life (everlasting) but the WRATH of GOD.... = REMAINS on them...."

That is the person you are deceiving on this FORUM by telling them that they are already a Christian, even tho they have never believed in Jesus.. and are not born again.@St. SteVen

 

[Behold]

1 John 2:2 NIV
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

Again, Here is the issue regarding you.

When you TEACH, the deception that a person is already a Christian, having never Trusted in Christ, and are not born again, then you are deceiving people on This Forum, who are not yet Christians.
This is leading them to die unforgiven, which Jesus teaches as having died "in your sins"..
That sends them to Hell.

 

[David in NJ]

@St. SteVen posted.

""""""Everyone is already saved due to the completed work of the atonement.""""""


See what you posted?
This is teaching everyone is already a Christian, even if they have never trusted in Christ and are not born again.

Incredible blasphemy.

Good Job - you found and exposed a heresy

 

[St. SteVen]

Good Job - you found and exposed a heresy

Keep UP the Good Work that God prepared Beforehand that we should walk in them

You should keep track of the number of heresies on this forum for there are MANY

What good work? Lying, slander and bearing false witness?

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[St. SteVen]

When you TEACH, the deception that a person is already a Christian, having never Trusted in Christ, and are not born again, then you are deceiving people on This Forum, who are not yet Christians.

I never said any such thing. (Lying, slander and bearing false witness)

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[Behold]

I never said any such thing. (Lying, slander and bearing false witness)

When you TEACH, the deception that a person is already a Christian, having never Trusted in Christ, and are not born again, then you are deceiving people on This Forum, who are not yet Christians.

Here is how you teach it.....

@St. SteVen posted.

""""""Everyone is already saved due to the completed work of the atonement.""""""

 

[David in NJ]

What good work? Lying, slander and bearing false witness?

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Lying, slander and bearing false witness?

WOWZA

Did @Behold do all that?

or are you seeking to attach that to me???

Spit it out now! - just not on the keyboard or the screen = it get's messy and you never know = you could short-out

 

[David in NJ]

What good work? Lying, slander and bearing false witness?

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i have Windex at the ready............

 

[St. SteVen]

Did @Behold do all that?

Several pages worth.

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[David in NJ]

Several pages worth.

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OK - i apologize as i just came in today at Post 204 and only read one post of @Behold

If he has been doing what you say i will go back now and edit my post.

Windex is READY

 

[David in NJ]

Several pages worth.

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Post has been edited

 

[Behold]

Several pages worth.

That false comment, "stuck on repeat"... not going to help you..... @St. SteVen .
Its just going to highlight you.

so, here it is again.....

@St. SteVen posted.

""""""Everyone is already saved due to the completed work of the atonement.""""""

See what you posted?
Its a LIE.
And that is because not everyone is "saved"......
Hell is filled with this proof, and more to come.

See, the reason you teach that everyone is a Christian..."already saved".... is because you are a Universalist, self described in other Threads and in other Posts, and restated in this Thread like this..
@St. SteVen posted.

""""""Everyone is already saved due to the completed work of the atonement.""""""