2 Peter 3:10 The Big Whoosh

[Spiritual Israelite]

It’s a study of historical prophecy.
Here are a few verses;
Jer 23:56

There is no Jeremiah 23:56.

Isaiah 11: 1-10

Isaiah 11:10 is quoted in the following passage (Romans 15:12) in a New Testament era context.

Romans 15:8 For I tell you that Christ has become a servant of the Jews on behalf of God’s truth, so that the promises made to the patriarchs might be confirmed 9 and, moreover, that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy. As it is written: “Therefore I will praise you among the Gentiles; I will sing the praises of your name.” 10 Again, it says, “Rejoice, you Gentiles, with his people.” 11 And again, “Praise the Lord, all you Gentiles; let all the peoples extol him.” 12 And again, Isaiah says, “The Root of Jesse will spring up, one who will arise to rule over the nations; in him the Gentiles will hope.”

Rev 20: 4-6

Where does this say anything about Jesus reigning on the earth?

 

[rwb]

There is no Jeremiah 23:56.


Isaiah 11:10 is quoted in the following passage (Romans 15:12) in a New Testament era context.

Romans 15:8 For I tell you that Christ has become a servant of the Jews on behalf of God’s truth, so that the promises made to the patriarchs might be confirmed 9 and, moreover, that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy. As it is written: “Therefore I will praise you among the Gentiles; I will sing the praises of your name.” 10 Again, it says, “Rejoice, you Gentiles, with his people.” 11 And again, “Praise the Lord, all you Gentiles; let all the peoples extol him.” 12 And again, Isaiah says, “The Root of Jesse will spring up, one who will arise to rule over the nations; in him the Gentiles will hope.”


Where does this say anything about Jesus reigning on the earth?

The only way the words of the prophets make any sense is to realize their prophesy began to be fulfilled when Christ came to earth a man. Christ came in His Day just as the prophets foretell He would. But for some people the only Day of the Lord coming will be His coming on the last day of this age when time shall be no more. Isaiah is a perfect example of fulfillment of prophesy of Christ coming in His Day/age/time/era. Because the Day of the Lord the prophets foretell has already come, we now look for the final Day of the Lord that will come when time shall be no more.

 

[ewq1938]

Just when you think you have heard everything...whoosh

If it is that far away then how could it possibly take us by Suprise?

It can't according to the verses you just posted.

 

[ewq1938]

Which of those passages tell us Christ will reign on THIS earth?

Jeremiah 23 ends with vs. 40.

He meant 23:5-6

 

[Taken]

Which of those passages tell us Christ will reign on THIS earth?

Jeremiah 23 ends with vs. 40.

To capture Scriptural context in a billeted one-liner you might need a toddler Bible.
A study is required to sift through all the OT prophetic history ABOUT Jesus ...
Then advance through the NT...Then on to Prophecy In Revelations.

Luke 24:
[44] And he (Jesus) said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. (Jesus)

 

[rwb]

He meant 23:5-6

This prophesy is fulfilled through the advent of Christ coming to earth a man. Jeremiah does not say Christ the righteous Branch and a King shall reign on this earth.

Jeremiah 23:5-6 (KJV) Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Christ began to reign over His Kingdom in heaven after His resurrection when He ascended to heaven and took possession of His Kingdom that shall have no end. Because His Kingdom is not NOW of this world. We know that is not this earth because this earth has an end.

John 18:36 (KJV) Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Ephesians 4:8-10 (KJV) Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

Daniel 7:13-14 (KJV) I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

 

[ewq1938]

Jeremiah does not say Christ the righteous Branch and a King shall reign on this earth.

Yes it does.

Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.

 

[rwb]

To capture Scriptural context in a billeted one-liner you might need a toddler Bible.
A study is required to sift through all the OT prophetic history ABOUT Jesus ...
Then advance through the NT...Then on to Prophecy In Revelations.

Luke 24:
[44] And he (Jesus) said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. (Jesus)

Yes a study is required! You need to understand the prophets foretell of the coming of the Lord in time, when all that is written of Him must be fulfilled. To understand the prophesies about the coming Messiah, you must interpret their words being fulfilled with the advent of Christ. If you try to force the words of the prophets into the last day of the Lord in this age, and then try to force a literal one thousand more years on this earth, you will never have rightly divided the Word, and you will always arrive at erroneous conclusions. I don't know if a toddler Bible will help Premillennialists???

 

[Taken]

There is no Jeremiah 23:56.


Isaiah 11:10 is quoted in the following passage (Romans 15:12) in a New Testament era context.

Romans 15:8 For I tell you that Christ has become a servant of the Jews on behalf of God’s truth, so that the promises made to the patriarchs might be confirmed 9 and, moreover, that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy. As it is written: “Therefore I will praise you among the Gentiles; I will sing the praises of your name.” 10 Again, it says, “Rejoice, you Gentiles, with his people.” 11 And again, “Praise the Lord, all you Gentiles; let all the peoples extol him.” 12 And again, Isaiah says, “The Root of Jesse will spring up, one who will arise to rule over the nations; in him the Gentiles will hope.”


Where does this say anything about Jesus reigning on the earth?

Jer 23: 5 & 6

Where does Scripture speak to you ABOUT....
King(S) in Heaven? Nation(S) in Heaven?

Jesus reigns as KING of/over “mortal” kings on earth (their Nations/kingdoms) from His Kingdom, (Abraham’s Promised Land); from His Throne Jerusalem; (ie the Same, king David’s everlasting throne.) <—> God established;
(2 Sam 7: 13 & 16)

Rev 17:
[14] These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

 

[rwb]

Yes it does.

Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.

You're not reading very carefully! Christ shall execute judgment and justice IN the earth, not ON the earth. Christ does not reign ON this earth, He is currently reigning and executing judgment and justice over His people from the Kingdom of heaven where He currently is and has been since His ascension there.

 

[Taken]

Yes a study is required! You need to understand the prophets foretell of the coming of the Lord in time, when all that is written of Him must be fulfilled. To understand the prophesies about the coming Messiah, you must interpret their words being fulfilled with the advent of Christ. If you try to force the words of the prophets into the last day of the Lord in this age, and then try to force a literal one thousand more years on this earth, you will never have rightly divided the Word, and you will always arrive at erroneous conclusions. I don't know if a toddler Bible will help Premillennialists???

And so...it seems as if, you believe the Converted IN Christ, shall BE ON Earth, while....The Lord God Almighty IS IN HEAVEN SENDING His Wrath and Tribulation UPON the Earth...

Should you live to that day....(and you ARE Converted)...what is your purpose for Being ON Earth during the days of Great Tribulation?
(7 Seals, 7 Trumps, 7 Vials)

 

[ewq1938]

You're not reading very carefully! Christ shall execute judgment and justice IN the earth, not ON the earth.

You aren't reading carefully. That is the same meaning in English. Being in the Earth and on the Earth is the same thing. Otherwise you would be suggesting Jesus will enter inside the Earth to reign which is absolutely not the meaning.

 

[Taken]

This prophesy is fulfilled through the advent of Christ coming to earth a man. Jeremiah does not say Christ the righteous Branch and a King shall reign on this earth.

Jeremiah 23:5-6 (KJV) Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Christ began to reign over His Kingdom in heaven after His resurrection when He ascended to heaven and took possession of His Kingdom that shall have no end. Because His Kingdom is not NOW of this world. We know that is not this earth because this earth has an end.

John 18:36 (KJV) Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Ephesians 4:8-10 (KJV) Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

Daniel 7:13-14 (KJV) I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

Absolutely portions of OT Prophecy has been fulfilled....and NOT.

John 18: Jesus’ Kingdom is NOT of this world....Jesus has NOT sat down in His Throne in Jerusalem....YET.

The Earth IS NOT YET, as it is IN Heaven.
Be Patient. God SHALL SAVE his Faithful ISRAEL (the 12 Tribes), during the Years of Gods Tribulation.
A remnant SHALL Learn, Hear, SEE, Believe and Walk among their Lord Messiah...generationally for 1,000 years.

Prophecy is not “only” about Gentiles. The end of days is MUCH about ISRAEL. (The People...not the modern sliver of land.)

 

[Taken]

Yes a study is required! You need to understand the prophets foretell of the coming of the Lord in time, when all that is written of Him must be fulfilled. To understand the prophesies about the coming Messiah, you must interpret their words being fulfilled with the advent of Christ. If you try to force the words of the prophets into the last day of the Lord in this age, and then try to force a literal one thousand more years on this earth, you will never have rightly divided the Word, and you will always arrive at erroneous conclusions. I don't know if a toddler Bible will help Premillennialists???

Understanding Scripture?
Scripture IS Knowledge. Anyone can read it, know it, recite it.
Understanding the Knowledge....”According to Gods Understanding”...
COMES FROM GOD.

Commentaries, mommy, daddy, pastors, joe blow, can interpret according to the limits of “what makes sense to their CARNAL MIND”.

Problem is:
Rom 8:
[7] Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

The teaching is;
God gives HIS understanding to those that ASK HIM.

The mystery is:
IF a man is NOT “with” God, God does not HEAR/Acknowledge the request for Understanding of His Word.

Point being, I have no issue with keeping the knowledge IN content of WHO it applies to, Nor am I mystified of HOW to obtain Gods Understanding of His Word.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[rwb]

And so...it seems as if, you believe the Converted IN Christ, shall BE ON Earth, while....The Lord God Almighty IS IN HEAVEN SENDING His Wrath and Tribulation UPON the Earth...

Should you live to that day....(and you ARE Converted)...what is your purpose for Being ON Earth during the days of Great Tribulation?
(7 Seals, 7 Trumps, 7 Vials)

While the Church will be on this earth during this Gospel age when "great tribulation" will come against the Church, the Church will be raptured on the last day of this age when the wrath of God through fiery judgment will come down from God out of heaven to utterly destroy all who are left alive on this earth on that day.

There are many reasons that Christ allows His Church to suffer "great tribulation" during this age of the Gospel.

 

[rwb]

You aren't reading carefully. That is the same meaning in English. Being in the Earth and on the Earth is the same thing. Otherwise you would be suggesting Jesus will enter inside the Earth to reign which is absolutely not the meaning.

No so! Christ is now in the Kingdom of heaven where He is ruling and reigning over the earth. He is not ON the earth, but none the less He rules over it. You insist He must be ON the earth if He is to reign over it.

 

[rwb]

Absolutely portions of OT Prophecy has been fulfilled....and NOT.

John 18: Jesus’ Kingdom is NOT of this world....Jesus has NOT sat down in His Throne in Jerusalem....YET.

The Earth IS NOT YET, as it is IN Heaven.
Be Patient. God SHALL SAVE his Faithful ISRAEL (the 12 Tribes), during the Years of Gods Tribulation.
A remnant SHALL Learn, Hear, SEE, Believe and Walk among their Lord Messiah...generationally for 1,000 years.

Prophecy is not “only” about Gentiles. The end of days is MUCH about ISRAEL. (The People...not the modern sliver of land.)

Yes, I'm glad you understand the OT prophesy about Christ began to be fulfilled with the advent of Christ. Again, I agree, His Kingdom is not NOW of this world, and will not be of this world ever!

Daniel tells us that when Christ ascended to heaven after His resurrection, He was given a Kingdom. John tells us the holy city, new Jerusalem is now in heaven. Even though Scripture does not specifically say Christ rules as King from Jerusalem on earth, I believe the prophesy of Christ reigning from Jerusalem was fulfilled when Christ ascended to heaven.

Daniel 7:13-14 (KJV) I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

Revelation 21:2 (KJV) And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Christ came to save His people, whether Jew or Gentile the whole "Israel of God" shall be saved. There is not one redemption plan for Israel of old, and another for Gentiles. There is only one Covenant of Redemption through Christ to all people, and today (this age) is the day/era to be saved. When Christ returns the mystery of God will be finished and the Kingdom complete, so no more will be saved in this imagined one thousand literal years the Premillennialists imagine.

Galatians 6:15-16 (KJV) For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

 

[ewq1938]

You insist He must be ON the earth if He is to reign over it.

No one insists that. That is known as a strawman fallacy.

Back to the issue, ruling on or in the Earth is the same thing.

 

[rwb]

No one insists that. That is known as a strawman fallacy.

Back to the issue, ruling on or in the Earth is the same thing.

It is you who wishes to raise a strawman! You are the one who says Christ reigns ON this earth. The verse does not agree, Christ reigns from heaven bringing judgment and justice IN this earth. He does this through His Gospel being proclaimed in the power of His Spirit to all who are in the Word. To the one in this earth who hears and remains in unbelief His Word brings judgment and death, but to the one in the earth who hears and believes His Word is the power of life. Christ does not physically sit on a throne to rule on or in this earth. He rules and reigns from heaven over this earth.

2 Corinthians 2:15-16 (KJV) For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish: To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things?

 

[Timtofly]

Believers have been murdered since the beginning. Check out the story of Abel. The first resurrection emptied Abraham's bosom and saw captivity being taken captive by the Lord. They now reign in heaven with Jesus Christ.

Yes, they all now have permanent incorruptible physical bodies, all of them. They are in Paradise. But we know that without reading Revelation 20.

John points out how the Millennium starts. Why do you keep rejecting the timing that is given? There is literally no logical reason to move the Millennium from after the Second Coming to after the Cross. Unless of course you have one?

Since you point out the first resurrection removed souls from Abraham's bosom, these beheaded souls are not in Paradise as they would already be like those from Abraham's bosom. There would not be thrones and judgment at the Cross. So who is sitting on those thrones if the Cross itself allowed those thrones to have some one to sit on?

This event in Revelation 20 cannot be explained away by moving it, or making excuses why it cannot happen in the future. There are several reasons why it did not happen in the past. The most basic is the contrivance of claiming the chapter is a recap, and the point no one sat on thrones and judged those just released from Abraham's bosom.