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    There are 2 tribulation periods, the “first” is to the Jews

    It just gets really frustrating when one comes with what they believe to be true, but since they have not learned what they believe from the Bible, they are simply mimicking what they have been taught! It's become apparent that he would rather think himself right than learn the truth from...
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    There are 2 tribulation periods, the “first” is to the Jews

    I'll take this deflection to mean that you cannot biblically PROVE what you allege! He who alleges MUST prove! Either put up the verses to prove your doctrine or continue to do what you accuse others of doing! That is YOU resisting the truth! Unlike you, I won't go as so far to say YOU also...
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    There are 2 tribulation periods, the “first” is to the Jews

    If you really want to show me that I am following false doctrine, why can't you bring forth a single passage or verse from Scripture that tells us Christ will literally, physically reign on this earth for one thousand years when He comes again???
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    There are 2 tribulation periods, the “first” is to the Jews

    I agree. I too once embraced the doctrine of Premillennialism. But I only embraced what I HAD BEEN TAUGHT! It wasn't until I began to search the Bible and seek for myself, I wanted answers for inconsistencies and contradictions Premillennialism forced into the Word of God. That's when I...
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    There are 2 tribulation periods, the “first” is to the Jews

    Don't know where you get information about the Biblical doctrines espoused by Amillennialism??? Because Amil rightly understands what John means when he says "a/the thousand years." We (Amil) absolutely DENY a literal physical reign of Christ on this earth because it is NOT supported by the...
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    There are 2 tribulation periods, the “first” is to the Jews

    How is the Kingdom of God manifested in the world? Christ tells us His Kingdom is not NOW of this world, cannot be visibly seen, and that it is within you, and known and entered when man is born again of the Spirit. The Kingdom of God IN, NOT OF the world NOW is not physical, but a spiritual...
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    There are 2 tribulation periods, the “first” is to the Jews

    You speak against doctrine you have no understanding of! You've been shown the error of your doctrine cannot withstand scrutiny from the Word of God. Yet you continue to cling to that which has been proven to be biblical error??? I'm always surprised when premillennialists continue to spew...
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    There are 2 tribulation periods, the “first” is to the Jews

    Again, you appear to be using verses selectively out of context! Read the verse in context! It speaks of how those professing to be saints of Christ shall come under fiery trials that shall judge them in life. We are to consider the suffering in this life as being partakers of Christ's...
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    There are 2 tribulation periods, the “first” is to the Jews

    You are selectively using verses that show only the dead in Christ being raised on the last day. How do you reconcile the last day with the hour that is coming? John tells us when the dead, both those who have done good and those who have done evil are raised together. Do you deny the hour...
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    There are 2 tribulation periods, the “first” is to the Jews

    If you want us to understand your speech, prove what you allege through the Scriptures! What verses prove that Christ will come to reign on THIS earth? When the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of God it will be when all things have been made new. Why would Christ return to...
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    There are 2 tribulation periods, the “first” is to the Jews

    You gave an unproven opinion saying, "The last trump marks the end of the reign of the kings of the earth, not the end of time". I'm not inclined to believe one's opinions without verification from the Word of God. The world that was in the days of the flood that perished did not include the...
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    There are 2 tribulation periods, the “first” is to the Jews

    How do you reconcile the sounding of the seventh trumpet as the beginning of one thousand more years after Christ returns, with Rev 10:5-7 where we read "that there should be time no longer: but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    This is what you consider a worthy answer??? Really not interested in your opinions!
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Immortality and incorruptibility cannot be separated. When we are bodily resurrected if we've physically died, or raised up if still alive, to meet the Lord in the air, our physical body shall be changed from mortal to immortal and corruptible to incorruptible, fit for everlasting life on the...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    The children of the resurrection Christ speak of, are those who have part in the first resurrection life through the resurrection of Christ. They are the only ones who never die again, because those having part in the first resurrection have overcome the second death (LOF). Those "children of...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    The onus is on you! You're the one claiming they are immortal! If they were resurrected immortal (1) they would still be alive on earth today (2) Paul would not have written that faithful saints shall be changed from mortal to immortal and corruptible to incorruptible when the last trumpet...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    NOT glorified bodies yet while a spiritual body of believers in heaven. Believers shall all become the glorified body of Christ TOGETHER, in the time that is coming when the last trumpet sounds and those who are dead resurrected to life, and believers alive at His coming caught up together with...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    If we have no part in the resurrection life of Christ (who is the FIRST RESURRECTION) before we physically die, and we know that physical flesh and blood shall not inherit the Kingdom of God, how are the saints alive in heaven after physical death? It's true those who physically die in Christ...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    You seem to miss the point! The reason I point out that Jerusalem on earth after the first advent of Christ is no longer considered the holy city of God is that you might KNOW the holy city in view is that which is spiritually found in heaven. It was the SPIRITUAL BODY, not the physical...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Not before the hour that is coming when the last trumpet sounds. As written, when our natural body dies, our body returns to the dust from which it came and our spirit returns to God who gave it. Ecclesiastes 3:20 (KJV) All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again...