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Was anyone saved before Calvin explained what limited atonement is?

The alternative to limited atonement is the Gospel. The premise of limited atonement is that Jesus’ death on the cross was intended to save only the elect, which are those who are predestined to salvation, but not all of humanity. Contrary to limited atonement stating salvation is only for the...

The verses I just showed you are not compatible with limited atonement. I am thinking you just don't agree or believe with what the Bible says. It would be difficult to begin with verses that explicitly do not negotiate with a limited style of atonement and then work backwards. Your foundation...

Oh ok. The below verses are true or no? 1 John 2 2He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. Romans 3 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24and are justified freely by His grace through the redemption...

Limited atonement doesn't state "you must believe in limited atonement in order to believe in the true Gospel." Limited atonement only attempts to define what the Gospel is, but only that the Gospel must be believed in order for one to receive atonement and thus be proven to be elect under the...

The biggest disadvantage your limited atonement doctrine has is that it is neither explicitly stated or described in the Bible. You've parsed it out like a good lawyer, contrary to what the plain text of the Scripture says, which is that anyone in the world can be saved or have their sins atoned...

I believe it could work if one wants to accept it, but Adam was not under the curse of Adam or original sin, but rather he was a sinless man who willingly chose to sin and die spiritually. Since sin is a choice then coming to saving faith is a choice. Thus atonement is not limited.

Paul draws congruency between Adam and Jesus. Sin entered the world and spread to all through one man, yet concluded the passage by saying "how much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!" Paul's...

I would suggest you read Romans 5:12-17. It would seem that if limited atonement is true then sin is more powerful than God and that can't be true. Plainly, if everyone can sin then everyone can be atoned for. Romans 5 12Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death...

I know that in Christianity that we have differing views on many things among the various denominations, sects, groups, and even individuals. What I have often experienced is that regardless of the presentation of new facts, it normally does little to sway one away from the things they believe...

Yes I read and understood it. I believe the case of Judas challenges the limited atonement doctrine. I understand you don't want to discuss it here. I will open a thread later when I have time. I've been wanting to open a thread on what the Gospel actually is lately.

We are both speaking about limited atonement, but the case of Judas is related to it directly in the context of John 17:9, which was one of the verses you quoted to support your doctrine. I understand that what I asked is not an easy question for Reformed theology to account for. Please take...

Salvation is on the table and Judas is involved. The scope of limited atonement, based on your teachings, either includes Judas as saved or says he is not saved, contrary to Judas being chosen/given to Jesus. This is relevant to your topic. We need to iron out how someone can lose their or not...

Since Judas was given to Jesus by the Father (John 17:9, 12) and limited atonement is for those specifically who the Father has chosen (the elect) then how does limited atonement reconcile Judas being lost?

I've been thinking about Jesus' prayer in John 17, especially verse 9, and thought of an important question that I would like your feedback on. Do you believe Judas Iscariot is of the elect? He was chosen. John 6 NKJV 70Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you, the twelve, and one of you is a...

Presumably Peter, John, Matthew, and Mark were present when Jesus prayed that. Technically that would mean we need to disregard Luke and the Pauline letters if one were to take a strictly literal approach to what Jesus prayed for.

In assuming the limited atonement mindset, I would be forced to conclude no one has been elected for the past ~2,000 years if John 17:9 is a stand-alone verse to describe who the elect are. There would just be a handful of elect. So what are we doing here. Can anyone be saved today in your belief?

Thank you. In John 17:9, when Jesus said "I ask on their behalf. I do not ask on behalf of the world, but on behalf of those You have given Me; for they are Yours." He was speaking in the perfect tense about those people. That would mean that Jesus was speaking specifically about those God had...

I understand that. However, I have shown verses that challenge the limited atonement philosophy you brought up in the OP. Do you still want to talk about this subject? You opened the thread, I replied, you haven't engaged me. It's ok if you don't have an answer. All good brother. Does anyone...

I think we basically agree as far as I can tell.