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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    RC Sproul is hardly an expert on Scripture. I have his book, "Chosen by God". He makes the exact same mistakes as every other Calvinist. (See "The Sovereignty of God" by Pink!) Sproul says on 1Cor2:14, "natural men cannot understand spiritual things, so God has to give the understanding first...
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    Salvation is a union between Creator (Jesus), and creature (you and me). Rm6:5 "sumphutos", united, joined, grown-together. I'm simply saying that virtually unanimously OSAS proponents employ the Catch 22: CATCH 22: If they're unsaved NOW, then they were never TRULY saved in the FIRST place."...
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    Hi, Lifelong. All three views of OSAS are opposed by Scripture. 1. "Antinomianism" (Gnosticism) corrupt flesh (fornicating, drunk, carousing, murdering, stealing), but saved spirit. "Backslidden-but-saved". 2. Eternal security -- anyone can be saved, but once "in" too changed to fall, or God...
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    :thumbsup: Please show me where faith is given to men by God? It's not in Rm12:3, that is a literary device called "Semitic View". (Did God harden Pharaoh's heart, Ex10:1? No; Pharaoh did it himself Ex9:34, 1Sam6:6; the device ascribes to God or others what men do themselves. See 2Cor4:3-4...
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    There is no such thing as a "carnal" Christian, or a "nominal" one. We either belong to Jesus completely, or not at all. Gal2:20 is not a "hopeful some day ideal", it is central and critical to what Jesus accomplished. All true; yet, if we cease to do good works and turn back to...
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    May I reply? James said "we are tempted with enticed and led astray by our own lusts. Lust conceived births sin, and sin brings death -- do not be deceived beloved brethren." Hebrews3 says we can be deceived by sin to a hard heart that falls away from God. 1Tim4:1 says we can be deceived away...
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    I wrote one -- it's at the publisher, I've been delaying at releasing it. It started as a refutation of all three views of OSAS, but grew into a general promotion of Christianity. I am still adding things that I have missed. The things I add all come with the thought, "How could it be...
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    Jesus' point is that apart from Him men cannot be righteous. Isaiah says our own righteousness is as filthy rags (the actual Hebrew is far worse). "Salvation" is considerably more than "belief". Jesus said in Jn17:3, "Father, eternal life is knowing You, and knowing (Me)." John conspicuously...
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    Conversely, Rev3:11 warns us "not to let anyone steal our crown". What crown is that in Rev3:11? The context of 3:11, is "he-who-overcomes". HE WHO overcomes I will clothe in white, and I will not blot from My Book of Life. 3:5. HE WHO overcomes I will make a pillar in My temple. 3:12 HE WHO...
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    1Cor9:24-27 Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but only one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may win. They (run) to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable. Therefore I run in such a way, as not without aim; I box in such a way, as not beating the...
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    Taken, I just made a lengthy post to Tong, post 218. You are cordially invited to respond to the verses. Verses which absolutely do not permit us to continue thinking "A truly saved person, cannot become unsaved". You left out a word -- 1Pet1:5 says "protected by the power of God THROUGH...
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    I agree. And as such, you are an "adopted child of God", co-heir with Jesus. Rm8:17. "Begotten-from-above", you are born again. ;) All it means is "born-from-above". Jesus told Nick, "You must be born again" -- that is, born twice. Nick was confused; Jesus patiently explained about the...
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    Scripture asserts some absolutes. Jesus said, "No good tree produces bad fruit, no bad tree produces good. Therefore you will know them by their fruit." (Matt7:16-18) He also said, "He who is not with Me is against Me; he that does not gather, scatters." (Matt12:30) So a nominal Christian...
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    Your thoughts are welcome! What's your verse to support that? Can a "non-Christian", be righteous? Exactly what is a "nominal-Christian" -- is that anything like a "carnal Christian"? Have you been reading the posts here? I asserted a "Catch22". Catch 22: "If anyone is unsaved NOW, then he...
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    Hi, Michael. What do you think of my post 210? Can a man turn away from God and become unrighteous again? If he does, is he still saved?
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    John openly warns us against deceivers --- saying that we are to abide in Jesus, so that we not shrink-in-shame when He returns. Shrink-in-shame can only mean "not-abiding-in-Jesus-but-in-sin". Do you have anything else? You say "we are reconciled to God forever, and no one can change that"...
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    Did you respond to the question of the Prodigal Son, Luke15? Did the errant boy ever cease being a son? "Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are exposed, and the children of the...
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    One passage does not overturn another; we must pursue understanding which includes them all. I know you agree with this...
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    And what if we don't? Why does context say "lay aside the old (sinful) man, put on the new (righteous) man"? Why does 2Tim2:11-13 cast "if-we-died" and "if-we-endure", with the alternative of "if-we-deny-Him" and "if-we-are-faithless"? How is the word, "BUT", not fully implied? "If we died...
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    I'm glad of that. Reformed Theology (in spite of denials by adherents) charges God with causality in sin, which is what made Jesus furious in Matt12. I'm s-s- (ah-CHOO!) ...sorry, why do you think that? You quoted my citation of Heb3:8, 12-14, but you did not explain why it does not say what it...