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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    Are we passive recipients of God's exclusive favor? How does God "work-faith-in-hearts", and whose hearts? What is your understanding (and what verses connect)?
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    Easy to say, now let's hear what you think those verses mean. Wonderful! And your thoughts are? (...don't forget 1Cor10:6-13, and others we've discussed!)
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    Fine, then we'll just mark out Heb11:6, Rom1:17, 1Pet1:9, Jude20-21, on and on... Wait -- are you saying we can choose to hear or not? "Take care how you listen", "blessed are your ears because they hear"? ...that doesn't work if "faith is a gift from God".... No, there is no falling-away, if...
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    Absolutely not; faith comes from us TO God, not the other way around. Heb11:6 "without faith it is impossible to please God; for he who comes to God must believe God is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him." We must come to God by faith; nowhere does it say...
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    I just made several posts with precise Scriptures, including comments on Ezk18:24; no one can be righteous apart from Jesus, and a righteous man can turn away and perish. Where is the ambiguity? You are cordially invited to respond to the previous posts, especially the one immediately before...
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    Let's see -- what does "carnal" mean? It means "walking-after-the-flesh", doesn't it? But these could be SAVED? Have you a way to read Rom8:12 ("if we walk after the flesh we must die"), and stamp it "NOT REALLY"? "Yes"? No; you are proposing that one who is carnal/babes (which by definition...
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    Look at 1Cor10:13 -- we always have before us the ability to sin; God provides an escape, but it's up to us to take it, or to sin. And then... ...and then, "we always have before us the ability to sin". That's the problem -- it is not the SIN that is the problem, it is the AGAIN. Let's go...
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    Let's read it in context. 10:24 Jews: "If You are the (Messiah), tell us plainly." 25, Jesus answered them, "I told you (that I'm the Messiah), and you do not believe (that I'm the Messiah); the works that I do in My Father's name, these testify of Me. 16, "But you do not believe (that I'm the...
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    Either God did it (making Him complicit in sin), or Pharaoh did it. Can't be both. "Going-with-what-Scripture-says" means sometimes we have to go to the original language, and we have to understand writing principles of the times. The device is called "Semitic View", it's also called...
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    If God actually hardens any heart, then yes that makes Him causal to sin. Please look at all of the verses that say "do not harden YOUR OWN heart"! Heb3:8 and 12-13 for instance. God didn't do it; as you saw, context proves "God-did-it" (Ex10:1), and "Pharaoh-did-it-himself" (Ex9:34, 1Sam6:6)...
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    Yes, "no". Because faith is our constant choice, God does not keep us if we want to leave; that was the purpose of the Prodigal Son story. It's the message in Heb3:12-14 (take care BRETHREN lest you be hardened by deceitful sin to an unbelieving heart that falls away from God). It's the message...
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    No, "kept by the power of God THROUGH FAITH". Will you consider Jude20-21, "build YOURSELVES in holy faith, KEEP YOURSELVES in His love"? What did he mean? Not conclusion, presumption; a presumption redirects the understanding -- our understanding is supposed to follow Scripture, Scripture is...
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    What verse? Not Rom12:3, that's "Semitic View". Faith is our choice in Heb11:6. In 1Pet1:9. In Rom10:9-10. And more. The only place I've found that says "God-gives-faith" other than Rm12:3, is in 1Cor12 -- where there is a spiritual GIFT given to one saved believer and not another. And...
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    So "nominal Christians" are as unsaved as "carnal Christians". That's correct; "he who is not with Me is against Me" -- it has been compared to a pregnant woman. She either IS pregnant, or is NOT; there is no "in-between", or "halfway". What you said about works being the consequence of...
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    :hug: I've given you many verses that plainly say "receive as the outcome of your faith salvation", "he who endures to the end will be saved", "by your endurance gain your souls", "if you continue in the faith firm and steadfast and not be moved away from (Jesus)" -- can you cite any verses that...
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    Excellent, thank you. We must understand where each other is before we can have a dialog; you or I may presume an explanation suffices for some question, but if the other has a different perspective then the explanation won't make sense. First let's establish a literary device that was used in...
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    Acts 13:48 is a powerful "Sovereign-Predestination" verse, some think it is a "primary" (foundation) verse. "As many as were ordained by God to eternal life, believed." How does that not clearly state "God ordains the few elect to salvation"?
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    Who does the hardening?
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    Why did I say that, Lifelong? Because of what Sproul said about 1Cor2:14. You're facing a choice -- Calvinism/Reformed Theology founds on at least 61 verses, four "foundation" ones (Primaries), fifty seven "Secondaries" (the walls and roof). You and I just pulled out the first brick -- Sproul...
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    I clearly said "Peter" was "petros", little-stone; and "Petra" bedrock (Jesus!) is that upon which Jesus builds. No other foundation can be laid, except Jesus.