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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    Not addressed to me -- will you be offended if I respond? What is the goal of our testing? 2Cor13:3 says "test yourselves, examine yourselves to see if you are in the faith" --- and if we find ourselves "adokimos/unapproved", what should we do? Our works do not save us; but they tell us where...
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    I look forward to your thoughts; may God bless you also.
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    You are right. However, the issue is our relationship to Jesus. How does it begin? His choice, or ours? ...and how does it continue? His choice, or ours? Salvation is not grace through Jesus; grace is the provision, faith is our receiving of His gracious gift. 1Pet1:9, "receive as the...
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    No, I presume that the exact same Greek words mean exactly the same thing in both chapters 1 ("escaped corruptions by the true-saved-knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus"), and chapter 2 ("escaped defilements by the true-saved-knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus"). Chapter 1 also says "the...
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    No, "fallen-from-grace", is "severed-from-Christ", no way that is "still saved". Who can argue that? Besides, the context clearly presents two positions: 1. Begun in the Spirit, running well, obeying the truth, KNOWN by God. 2. Ending in the flesh (not in the Spirit), no longer running well...
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    The Holy Spirit dwells by invitation. Now -- the essence of salvation is that we enter into an indwelt fellowship, being indwelt by Jesus and the Spirit; and we commune with the Father. Previous post we recognized that saved people are imperfect, and do occasionally sin. Does the indwelling...
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    The point is, we have to "put on the new man" --- daily. Please consider 1Jn3:6, 9: "No one who abides in Him sins. ...no one who is born of God sins, because His seed abides in him, and he cannot sin because he is born of God." And yet, we-the-saved, do sin. "If we say we have no sin we...
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    We're reading verses together about "turning away from God". You and I read Heb3:12-14 --- can we be "deceived by sin to a hard disbelieving heart that falls away from God"? That is exactly what it says. So to continue in a OSAS doctrine, how many verses would we be willing to read, and then...
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    The answer is "yes". Seals are made to be broken. In the world of Calvinism Eph1:11 is one of the four "Primaries" (foundation passages); but verse 13 says we were sealed after believing. If that seal is affixed to our faith, then if we break our faith that breaks the seal. Yes. You and I just...
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    I would say you have it backwards; the Spirit indwells us first by invitation -- that's why it says we receive the Spirit. Balance this passage with Col3 -- "SET YOUR MINDS on things above, not earthly things". What OSAS people have not considered is the principle advanced in verses like...
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    No, time constraints. I'm care-taking -- which involves cooking, cleaning, pet care (three dogs a cat and a bird, one dog is 18 and requires dialysis and forced feeding [she's very alert and oriented otherwise]), etcetera. And I see by the "alerts" I have 11 replies for you, backed up. I'll try...
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    We can turn back to the flesh at any time; that has to be true, or we would be sinless. You are not sinless, neither am I. But we-Christians, SIN LESS. When we sin what differs between us and the unsaved, is that sin grieves us; it drives us to our knees in sorrow, "sorrow sufficient for...
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    The Spirit can be grieved (this verse), can be resisted (Acts7:15), and can be insulted (and by one who WAS SANCTIFIED, Heb10:29) What happens to the Spirit when He is resisted, grieved, or insulted? Does He still indwell?
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    I think I've replied to this; Eph4 and Col3 warns us to "lay aside the old sinful man, and put on the new righteous man" -- that is a continual thing, isn't it? And we've read together Rom7, and Rom8. Romans 6-8 is a triplet, we cannot separate the chapters; and we are not supposed to live in...
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    Good for you --- unTO, not unTIL. It is an "earnest", which can be broken... What do you think about all the verses we have been reading together about "abide in Him"? What was John teaching in 1:2:26-28?
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    Well, to be careful --- what I am saying, what you are saying, what anyone is saying, is irrelevant. We strive to reveal what SCRIPTURE says. Look at this: "Therefore if you have been raised up with Christ, keep seeking the things above... Set your minds on the things above and not on things on...
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    What do you think of Col3, "SET your minds not on earthly things, but on things above"? Very, very good (citing Rom8). Well done! Now, continue -- "For if we walk in the flesh WE MUST DIE; but if by the Spirit we are putting to death the deeds of the body, we will live!" Do you think Paul...
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    Hi, Marks. Did you read what I quoted from 1Peter? The INHERITANCE is imperishable and undefiled and will not fade away, but it is reserved in Heaven -- and our possession OF it is our constant choice. BTW, Peter's second letter is one of the "entire letters that ruin OSAS" --- ch1 those who...
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    :hug: I hope and pray he is well, and blessed. There is no "born-again" (born or begotten from above), without the Spirit. (And the Spirit is not received by the unrepentant unbelieving...) There is no second "baptism-by-the-Spirit"; to believe in Jesus is to receive or be baptized with the...
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    OSAS.... what does this really mean ?

    "Reality"? To discuss Scripture, the desire is to expose what they actually wrote and said, so that it is not open to dispute; to "exhort with sound doctrine and refute those who contradict". (Titus 1:9) Therefore there is no "My-Opinion" or "Your-Opinion" or his or hers, there is just what...