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  1. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    An important fact indeed! Thanks for reminding me. sml
  2. Rich R

    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    Great verses! Something to look forward to indeed! I wish it'd happen before I press the "Post reply" button, but we'll see it eventually. Good point. The earth will be renewed so as to be like the original creation where everything was " very good." The Hebrew word for "good" is "tov" which I...
  3. Rich R

    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    You are correct in what you say about the word we translate as everlasting. In fact the Hebrew word "olam" and several variations of that word can have different meanings depending on the context. For example, Genesis 21:33 calls Yahweh, "the olam God." I'd think in that case our understanding...
  4. Rich R

    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    How would these verses fit with all of that? Heb 11:13, These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of [them], and embraced [them], and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. Heb 11:39, And these all...
  5. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    That's part of the reason, but the heart of their failure to recognize the Messiah is succinctly stated in Romans. Rom 11:8, (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day. Just before...
  6. Rich R

    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    Then why does Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, et.al. talk about Israel receiving an everlasting kingdom. They wrote some time after Joshua, so it wouldn't it seem they were talking about a promise that had not been fulfilled? A promise that was yet future? Notice all the "will" and "shall" in the...
  7. Rich R

    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    Or I simply misunderstood. But God forbid I should be granted such grace. No, I have a comprehension problem and I willfully ignore others. C'mon, act like a brother who loves another brother. The 150+ promises of land and a kingdom God promised to Israel. The first promise was made to Abraham...
  8. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    Might I suggest we all stop accusing each other of not replying to everything each of us says. It's well worn. We are all guilty of that, so no point in pointing fingers. The fact is there is only so much time and I think we all reply to that which we consider most relevant to the discussion...
  9. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    No need to get personal my friend. I read and understand what you said, but obviously I don't believe it. So what? You don't believe what I'm saying either. I wouldn't think that means you have a reading comprehension problem. The mystery has everything to do with underestimating the 1,000...
  10. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    Well, I should have been more specific. Yes, Abraham's promise did include many nations. However, throughout the entire OT it was the Jews who were God's chosen people. As Galatians says, the Gentiles were without God and without hope. In other words, they were definitely not part of God's...
  11. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    Well the Messiah was not at all hidden in the OT. The promise of a Messiah is all over the place in the OT. The mystery, however, was very much hidden. I think that is what your point b says. In the OT: Eph 2:11-12, 11 Wherefore remember, that ye [being] in time past Gentiles in the flesh...
  12. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    The mystery has everything to do with understanding God's plan for the ages. I understand you have no idea what I was talking about. But really it's not me you don't understand. It's the Apostle Paul you apparently don't understand. I just quoted a few verses of his. I humbly suggest you do some...
  13. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    My opinion is irrelevant. It's laid out pretty clearly in Paul's letters. The mystery that was kept secret until God revealed it to Paul says that there is no difference between the Jew and the gentile, that they are all one (Gal 3:28). It says that the Gentiles are fellowheirs with the Jews...
  14. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    No, neither Paul, nor Matthew, nor Peter were eisegetes. Eisegesis is reading one's own preconceived ideas into the scriptures. Where do you see Peter, Mathew or Peter reading their own ideas into the scriptures? They wrote what God told them to write. We ought to read the scriptures in the...
  15. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    Reread those verses. They do not say Paul understood the mystery from the OT. They in fact say that it was hidden in the OT and that Paul learned it by revelation of holy spirit. There is nothing in Paul's letters that show that he learned about this mystery in the OT. Why? Because, as...
  16. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    How do you understand: Eph 3:3-6, 3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, 4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) 5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed...
  17. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    Yes. There are some things in the scriptures we should take as an allegory. In fact Paul said he himself used an allegory in Galatians 4:24. An allegory is a legitimate tool of grammar. It is a figure of speech which is used to emphasize something. They are to be used and understood in a precise...
  18. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    I understand at least part of amillenial doctrine to say that the 1,000 year reign is not literal. If I'm wrong abut that, could you tell me what you think it means. But if I do understand the doctrine correctly, where does it say that the 1,000 years mentioned in Revelation are anything other...
  19. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    Seems simple enough to me! Why complicate things by looking for some hidden or secret meaning to plain language? I guess it makes some feel special, like the Gnostics who felt they were initiated into some higher knowledge, and thus set apart from the simpletons. I've been accused of being...
  20. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    I think you misunderstood. I wasn't saying scholars hold either a allegorical or a literal approach. I was saying that scholars say that the question of amillenialism vs premillenialism comes down to which method one uses. The telling of the fulfillment of prophecy has nothing to do with...