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  1. Rich R

    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    What truth from Jeremiah am I missing? What revelation do get from reading it? Did God reveal to you that Jeremiah 31:31 was talking about the church instead of Israel and Judah? You might want to check out how many times the word "knowledge" is used in the Bible. I think you'd see that it's a...
  2. Rich R

    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    Paul, though born a Jew, became a Christian. Gal 3:27-28, 27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Paul was no longer under the old covenant...
  3. Rich R

    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    I just reread Acts 2 to make sure there was nothing there about a New Covenant. I still didn't see it. So taking the text for what it says, nobody experienced a New Covenant. Read all of Jeremiah 31 where it talks about the New Covenant with Israel and with Judah. It's pretty obvious none of...
  4. Rich R

    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    Yes it is. And at some point God will make a New Covenant with Israel and with Judah, as per Jer 31:31. I wouldn't add anything to such a simple declaration.
  5. Rich R

    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    I never saw anything about spiritual jurisprudence regarding Wills and Testaments in the scriptures. Notice to whom Hebrews is written: Heb 1:1, On many past occasions and in many different ways, God spoke to our fathers through the prophets. The fathers are Jews and God never spoke through...
  6. Rich R

    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    Good points. I do understand all of that. Thanks for bringing them up. Here's a verse to ponder: Jer 31:31, Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. We tend to think that God made His new covenant...
  7. Rich R

    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    In addition to the two verses you quoted, there are no less 32 times the words "kingdom of heaven" are used. First of all, one thing being "of" another thing, doesn't necessarily mean that the one thing is "in" the other thing. In other words, the kingdom is "of" heaven, but that is not that...
  8. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    OMG! How you could come to such a conclusion after reading the post is stunning. OK, now I'm thinking you do understand what I said. Excellent! Well we can end it, but I wouldn't say it was all for nothing. Isn't there something about iron sharpening iron in the scriptures? I know you made me...
  9. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    I didn't see it, but there I shall go right now! One needs a spreadsheet to keep track of all of this. tsml
  10. Rich R

    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    What the prophets of old actually understood was that Jesus would come as a lamb led to slaughter and then as King of Kings and Lord of Lords. 1 Pet 1:11, Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of...
  11. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    Yes, Paul was talking to carnal Christians who had many divisions within their church. Some time ago, I brought up the mystery and you said you had no idea why I brought it up. Well, 1 Cor 2 may shed some light on that. Paul was saying that because of their carnality, because of their...
  12. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    How would you feel if someone accused you of taking every single verse in the Bible allegorically? I suspect you would feel somewhat annoyed. So, how do you think someone else might feel after being accuse of taking every single verse literally? Probably somewhat annoyed. Not sure if annoyed...
  13. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    Having said I don't want to proceed any further, I'll take that back and try one more time to explain how I interpret scripture. I'll do it by way of example. I'm going to write a sentence in a second here. Before reading it, I just want to ask you if you think it will be a literal sentence or...
  14. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    Whoa there! Let's back up. I've never said any given verse is literal. I've said multiple times that the scriptures are full of different figures of speech, including allegory. Not sure how you've missed that. With all due respect to you, I honestly don't want to proceed any further in this...
  15. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    Sounds good to me. In fact, I think I've been saying just that all along. Just because something is literal doesn't automatically make it easy. I could be wrong, but suspect you might think that I take every word from Gen 1:1 to Rev 21:21 literally. Am I right in that suspicion? I believe...
  16. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    Well, you gotta start somewhere. How do you do it? I certainly didn't mean to suggest it's always easy. If it were I'd understand every verse from Gen 1:1 to Rev 21:21. The scriptures say we have to be workmen, rightly dividing the word of truth. Wouldn't that suggest work? Work is not always...
  17. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    Well, it seems to me there has to be some starting point. How do you do it? I didn't mean to suggest it's always easy. If it were so I'd perfectly understand every verse from Gen 1:1 to Rev 21:21, which I don't. I have many questions about some verses or sections.
  18. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    No. All of that is obviously true, but it not the whole story.
  19. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    Premils do indeed employ the "literal/historical/grammatical method of understanding the Scriptures." However that in no way means that they deny the necessity of understanding which parts of the scripture are literal, figurative, poetic, symbolic, hyperbolic or Apocalyptic. I don't know any...