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There is a figure of speech called the prophetic future where something future is spoken of as already having occurred. It was used extensively by the Jewish writers of the scriptures. It was used to express the certainty of some future event. We also use it. Your boss says do such and such and...

My claimed covenants? God put them in the Bible, not me. But to answer your question, Jesus was talking about the New Covenant mentioned in Jeremiah 31:31. Jesus was talking to Jews about Jewish matters (no Gentiles nor Christians at the table). I don't see God having made any other covenant...

What I meant by, "I think that God would say something about "spiritual Jews" was that God would use exactly those words. Of course He never does. Nor does He mention a "spiritual Christian Israel." I think that Revelation is about the Jews. It tells how all the promises in the OT about an...

Seems a lot better to be a spiritual man than a natural man. Glad I made the switch!

What is it about a literal translation that would say anything different than what you said? I'm not aware that a literal translation would discount either an application nor an interpretation. Sometimes I wonder if either side (literal/allegory) actually understands the premise of the other...

You're telling me you don't agree with every jot and tittle of what I say? How could such a thing be? I'm flabbergasted! Just kidding. hlo

I think you bring up some good things there. However, you kind of lose me by bringing up the word "spiritual" where it's not actually in the scriptures. Nonetheless I think those are good insights into harmonizing what at first appears to be totally opposite statements. As you said, God forbid...

No, not at all. Again I think that God would say something about "spiritual Jews" is such a thing existed. It would have a huge impact on doctrine. I don't see God making things complicated. He wants us to know Him, so I think He is a straight talker. He doesn't expect us to read between the...

Well, I'll repeat what I said before: "Where do you see anything about a New Covenant anywhere in Acts?" Notice the question mark. If you have a good answer, I may well change my mind. But as things stand now, the only place I see anything about a New Covenant is in Jeremiah 31:31 where a it...

I'm thinking it may be somewhat of a leap to add "spiritual" to the word "Israel." As far as I know, such a phrase is not anywhere in the scriptures. Given that it would have very huge implications regarding doctrine, I'd think God would have somewhere used the phrase "spiritual Israel" if He...

That, though very true, is a whole other discussion. No, God is not a racist. Maybe He could be called a "believerist" (:oops:) given that all He really ever wanted was for people to believe, to trust Him What was the context of me saying, "We're dealing with Israel?

You are right about the meaning of "church." I've been throwing around the word "church" for some time now. Perhaps I should have defined what a "church" actually is. It's really nothing more than a gathering of people for some specific purpose. In acts 19:32 a mob is called and "ekklesia."...

Now there's a good question. I don't know for sure about that. I do know that Rom 11:26 says all of Israel will be saved. Somehow the two have to fit. Sure can't have contradictions in God's word. I do see that Romans 9 is talking about events in the past (quoting Isaiah) whereas Romans 11 is...

No problem my friend. There are many who don't agree with me. I suspect the same holds for you. We're still members of the one body of Christ. All differences will be set aside when Jesus comes back. I have no doubt we'll all find we were wrong about one thing or another. After all, we all see...

Again, I'll point out the problem of reading someone else's mail and applying it to themselves. Hebrews 1:1 is clear that it was meant for the Jews. Now remember, God, also speaking to the Jews, said He'd make a New Covenant with them in Jeremiah 31:31. So we're not dealing with the church here...

There is something often overlooked when formulating doctrine. It's usually assumed that the things Jesus said in the Gospels have a direct connection and application to the Christian church. But is that really the case? Let the scriptures speak for themselves: Matt 15:24, But he answered and...

True. But in the end, they will be saved. Rom 11:26, And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: The whole 11th chapter is well worth a careful study. Verse 25 of that chapter tells exactly when...

Where do you see anything about a New Covenant anywhere in Acts? As far as Matthew goes, Jesus just said it was the cup of the New Covenant. Which New Covenant? Well, there are very few verses that actually talk about a New Covenant. There are 4 to be precise and all of them are with the Jews...

Not sure why all the question marks. I didn't say anything that complicated. But if you didn't get it, no problem. I'll try to elaborate just a bit. Galatians 3:28 says in the most simple terms possible that Christians are neither Jew nor Gentile. Here's another verse that says the same thing...

Well the new covenant is the one in Jeremiah 31:31 which was made with Israel and Judah. Read the whole chapter and you should see none of it has happened to date. You may also notice that it says nothing about the blood of Christ. That's something else altogether different. We ought not to read...