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Ok. Still doesn't refute faith alone saving us. Can real faith be dead and not endure? Whatever good we do is God's work not ours.

I don't see how you get that from these verses. A person of real faith will continue. If he ceases to believe he won't. That doesn't refute faith alone.

Hmm.... I don't recall saying anything about open sinning and no shame. And of course I don't believe in predeterminism. By all means repent of whatever sins you are aware of, but don't go around believing you have reached some state of sinlessness in this life. That only brings pride, which all...

Your argument is very confusing. No one is sinless except God. That much I know.

So you have overcome every possible lust? I think you are splitting hairs. The mind is part of the body.

I have looked into all the verses. Literally none of them claim baptism saves. Nothing prideful about belief that Jesus alone saves. Believing that I can do some work to save myself however...

Baptism still doesn't save anyone. And the verses you quoted agree.

So I can be justified but not saved? I got this from a Catholic source: The concepts of salvation and justification refer to the same work that God does within us, but each emphasizes different aspects. The gracious action of God which frees us from sin and communicates “the righteousness of...

Again, just saying it doesn't make it so.

Then why did you only respond to the first sentence?

You apparently only read the first line.

None of those verses say baptism saves. The one most people use as proof is this one: BAPTISM, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ... And it actually confirms...

"And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness..."

Something that is active in your heart and mind isn't work. "And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness" That can't be the same thing, that would make this verse and many others nonsense.

Baptism doesn't save. Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God...

I don't think you understood what I was saying.

Yes he chooses all who are in Christ. But much of the biblical election is to various jobs. Like Jacob or Paul were chosen. Here's an important verse: "Therefore I endure all things for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal...

Of course but that's what you learn in church...to trust Jesus not just knowing who he was. That's what belief is.

Ok so what is the magical wand that saves you then? Because my Bible says all that believe on his name will be children of God. I don't see any exceptions there.

Ok so what is the magical wand that saves you then? Because my Bible says all that believe on his name will be children of God. I don't see any exceptions there.