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Yes, by grace through faith.

Not lost, thrown away. Big difference. You can not lose it like your car keys. You can toss it in the trash deliberately.

Yes. Otherwise you have limited atonement...a Calvinism falsehood.

Not when they left. Many false teachers were once genuine believers.

Good grief. What a lot of twisting scripture to avoid the thought that you might be able to be decieved and fall away. Why are people so afraid of the truth? Nonbelievers set apart? I don't think so.

We all doubt. Quit it with the perfect saint nonsense. It just sounds arrogant.

Shouting makes you look desperate. I have read the scriptures that's why I know real believers can fall away and deny Jesus.

That doesn't make any sense.

It's evidence that OSAS is incorrect.

Nonsense. Of course we can doubt. In fact I doubt there's a Christian alive who never doubts his faith. Why would we be encouraged not to doubt if it wasn't an issue?

Um any sin in your life is a sinful lifestyle. And Christians all sin, so? If we don't want to sin why do we? Seems like you want to have your cake and eat it too.

There's two kinds of ex believers in scripture...those who were always tares and those who once truly believed. Those he never knew were tares. They tried to enter through another gate, called " works".

13 Those on the rocky ground are the ones who receive the word with joy when they hear it, but they have no root. They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away. It doesn't say they profess, they truly believe. 1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon...

Of course. But it's not as if one cannot doubt and then fall away into non belief.

Not biblically. You cannot fall away from something you never had.

Really? You are never tempted? C'mon man! Let's be real. 13 Those on the rocky ground are the ones who receive the word with joy when they hear it, but they have no root. They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away.

How about we just read it as it's written instead of making it say what we want it to say? 13 Those on the rocky ground are the ones who receive the word with joy when they hear it, but they have no root. They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away.

1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 12 See to it, brothers and sisters, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God. 13 Those on the rocky ground are the...

Of course the BELIEVER rests in Christ. The one who once believed doesn't. It's odd that people can read all the biblical warnings about apostasy and then pretend it's impossible.

Sure today it's mainstream. I said historically it's a minority view.