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  1. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    You could have stopped holding you breath a long time ago had you looked at what I've said many times about those tenses. I even suggested you verify what I said. I told you that's be easy to do. It appears you've chosen not to do that. In other words you are the one avoiding.
  2. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    For the most part I agree with all you are saying. However it really has no bearing on the point we are discussing. None of that precludes a future fulfillment of God's promises to Israel. Regarding Hebrews 8:13, it'd help if you'd look for the meaning of the various Greek verbs tenses I've...
  3. Rich R

    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    Where in Hebrews 11:8-16 say that God abandoned His plans to give land (the earth, whatever) to Abraham. Please be as specific as I've been. I said that, according to Greek Grammar, the word "heavenly" being in the Genitive case was descriptive and was not describing it's location. Which...
  4. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    I finally get it! My mistake all along was taking all your posts literally. Now I understand all your posts have really been allegorically. I can see the hidden meaning there; you now agree with everything I've said. You say that Isaiah should be read spiritually, but now I understand that you...
  5. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    Are you reading my posts without bias? If you just take my words for what they say, I can't imagine why you'd ask that question. Now I suppose you will accuse me of not answering the question. But if you'd stop reading my posts as if they are allegorical you should easily answer that question...
  6. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    My post was, "So why dont' we see lions laying with lambs, or children playing with asps? I've not seen even one single ICBM has being made into a plowshare." How is that condescending at at all, let alone condescending nonsense? Also, where in that post did you see me saying anything about...
  7. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    It appeared that you were suggesting that all the verbs in Hebrews 8:13 were in the past tense. We're you in fact agreeing with me that it has not yet come to pass?
  8. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    Isaiah 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and...
  9. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    Right after hitting the "Post reply" button I thought, "Someone's going to say those things are not literal. They are allegorical."
  10. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    So why dont' we see lions laying with lambs, or children playing with asps? I've not seen even one single ICBM has being made into a plowshare.
  11. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    Good translations, but they fail to account for the tenses, which makes a huge difference since the heart of our discussion is when this all takes place. I gave you the tenses. You should be able to verify what I said with an interlinear. You may have to Google what the aorists and perfect...
  12. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    All good stuff. Yes Christians now have direct access to God. But I fail to see how it annuls anything I said about God's New Covenant with Israel. None of those verses say the New Covenant has been completely fulfilled. Given the clarity of the nature of the promised land to Israel (over 150...
  13. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    That's what Hebrews appears to say. Heb 8:13, In that he saith, A new [covenant], he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old [is] ready to vanish away. The Old (the first) Covenant is decaying, waxing old, and is ready to vanish away. The process began with the the...
  14. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    Jesus shed his blood, ensuring the future fulfillment of the New Covenant God made with Israel in Isaiah 31:31. As I've said, the things mentioned in the rest of that chapter and many other, have not yet come to pass. Doesn't mean in any way shape or form God abandoned His promise. It's yet future.
  15. Rich R

    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    1 Thes 4:17, After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord. Wherever Jesus will be from the point on we'll be with him. The last 3 chapters of Revelation say Jesus will come down...
  16. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    You might want to amend that to say, "At least Amillennialist recognize the assumed symbolic context of the Book of Revelation and the apocalyptic genre."
  17. Rich R

    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    I didn't say anything about anybody getting silver. I'd think if any explanation is warranted it'd be you explaining where God gave Israel silver. At least I think that's what you intimated. To be honest, I'm not sure exactly what your point was with that parable.
  18. Rich R

    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    I tried to quote 150+ verses, but we're only allowed 10,000 characters. Still this should be enough to start with, Gen 12:7, And the LORD appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: and there builded he an altar unto the LORD, who appeared unto him. Gen 13:15, For...
  19. Rich R

    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    Might it not be that the piece of land is on the new earth? I think it just might be the case! I have nothing to say other than "heavenly" is in the genitive case. I explained that the basic meaning of that case is descriptive not location. Yeah, but I don't see where Peter, Stephen, or Paul...
  20. Rich R

    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    I didn't say anything about anybody getting silver. I'd think if any explanation is warranted it'd be you explaining where God gave Israel silver. At least I think that's what you intimated. To be honest, I'm not sure exactly what your point was with that parable.