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That is only in relation to His BODILY ascension and has nothing to do with His spirit. He committed His spirit to the Father upon His death, so His spirit went to heaven before He ascended there bodily. His spirit reunited with His body when His body was resurrected and He later bodily ascended...

Yes, let's keep looking for the truth (John 14:6) while he keeps looking for fairy tales to come true.

Sorry, but in terms of being part of the church, one's gender did not mean anything. Having different roles in the church is different than what qualified someone to be in the church. In that sense there was no distinction between Jews and Gentiles or males and females. You're trying to say...

Paul was not saying to follow him, he was saying to follow his teaching about following Christ the way he did.

How does this prove the idea of a secret rapture before the tribulation? That verse only proves that we don't know when it will occur. Once it does occur there will be nothing secret about it. Acts 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus...

Your 2 rapture theory is a fairytale. There is absolutely nothing written anywhere in scripture to suggest that there will be 2 raptures. You just make these baseless claims and think you have proven something without doing anything at all to actually back them up. It's ridiculous.

That is correct, so do you think maybe in places where you think it's talking about national Israel it might be talking about the Israel of God that consists only of those who have faith instead, including Jew and Gentile believers?

John is not talking to Israel in Revelation 1:5-6, he was talking to those who were in churches consistent of Jew and Gentile believers in the ancient Roman province of Asia. That Roman province doesn't even exist anymore, so how could he have been writing to future churches? You couldn't...

What does that mean? Do you believe there is no such thing as the church? How do you interpret this passage: Romans 9:6 It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On...

That makes no sense whatsoever since 2 Peter 3:8-9 has absolutely nothing to do with the thousand years of Revelation 20. Neither do I, but it's nothing new for Premills to believe something that makes no sense whatsoever. Right.

Yes, it is. Tell me exactly who has claimed that the church has replaced Israel.

2 Peter 3:8-9 has absolutely nothing to do with the thousand years of Revelation 20. It has a completely different context. That passage shows how the Lord looks at things from an eternal perspective. A day and a thousand years make no difference to Him at all. Because of that, no one can say He...

Did you not read the original post? I did not say that all premills believe that and specifically pointed that out. I specifically pointed out that this thread was directed only at the premills who do believe that. And, there are plenty who do because I've seen that. I don't need to quote them...

Why would the judgment of all people that He references in those verses not include anyone who was resurrected? You use so many words to say nothing. Who are the ones being judged if none of them were resurrected? You're so vague about everything. Do you have something against being specific...

Agree completely. Do those who believe in a pre-trib rapture have these verses in their Bibles? Acts 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God. 2 Timothy 3:12 Yea, and all...

So, it's the horde who "work havoc on the city and the sanctuary", not the prince. You have reading comprehension issues. You know I was directing that towards Douggg, don't you? Or are you reading comprehension skills even worse than I thought? You agree with him that the people or horde of...

Obviously, I strongly believe that they do not, but Premills are welcome to share any scripture from the epistles that they think teach that. Yes, I make that same point often. Look at the OP in this thread and you will see that I touched on that there at the end of that post. Usually, I get no...

How do you interpret this passage... 2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing...

LOL! Only in his mind. The prince is just running a bit late. No worries. Does he ever make sense to anyone else but himself? Maybe rarely. It makes about as much sense as this...