The Four Stages of Mankind's Redemption:

[Ronald Nolette]

LOL. There is no more distinction between male and female when it comes to believers. One's gender is not a determining factor in being part of the body of Christ.

Nice job of avoiding answering the question. Are you afraid to answer the question or do you just want to make jokes instead?

What distinction between Jew and Gentile believers are you talking about that Paul supposedly made?

I agree that ones gender is not a determining factor for being part of the body. but to you has all gender distinctions are now gone in Jesus?

The distinction is that when a Jew gets saved they are the fulfilment of the OT promises to Israel as far as spiritual promises are concerned.

It also shows that God has not abandoned His people Israel.

In the body there is no advantage but there is still a distinction. Jewish believers still need to be circumsiced according to the Command given to abraham as a sign of the covenant.

Jewish believers still need to keep Sabbath as it was an eternal sign between God and Israel.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Thanks for the confirmation. But you said, "The enitre nation of Israel is going to be saved".

The remnant is not the nation. It is the faithful obedient portion of the nation.

It is called the remnant to distinguish it from the nation.

And only the remnant will be saved.

No, it will be the entire nation that gets saved- it is the remnant that survive the tribulation! all living Jews at the end will be saved.

Ezekiel 20:33-38

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33 As I live, saith the Lord God, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you:
34 And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.
35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.
36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord God.
37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:
38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

Jeremiah 31:31-38

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31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
35 Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:
36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
37 Thus saith the Lord; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord.

Zechariah 13:8-9

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8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

Romans 11:25-27

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25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

Before Jesus returns, all living Israelis will be saved.

 

[covenantee]

No, it will be the entire nation that gets saved- it is the remnant that survive the tribulation! all living Jews at the end will be saved.

Tribulation hallucination.

Copy/paste the word "tribulation" in Isaiah 10:22 and Romans 9:27.

Display it in red bold italics.

Whom to believe?

1. You
2. Isaiah and Paul

Need a hint?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Tribulation hallucination.

Copy/paste the word "tribulation" in Isaiah 10:22 and Romans 9:27.

Display it in red bold italics.

Whom to believe?

1. You
2. Isaiah and Paul

Need a hint?

How about the INspirer of Paul and Isaiah? He speaks of the end of human history and such tribulation! But knowing you hold to covenant theology and replacement theology, you have rewritten the word of God in many places.

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Just because the word tribulation does not appear in a passage that deswcribes, it does not negate it. Seems the problem lies with you allegorical hermeneutic.

 

[covenantee]

How about the INspirer of Paul and Isaiah? He speaks of the end of human history and such tribulation! But knowing you hold to covenant theology and replacement theology, you have rewritten the word of God in many places.

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Just because the word tribulation does not appear in a passage that deswcribes, it does not negate it. Seems the problem lies with you allegorical hermeneutic.

Thanks for the confirmation of your tribulation hallucination.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I agree that ones gender is not a determining factor for being part of the body. but to you has all gender distinctions are now gone in Jesus?

In relation specifically to the church, yes.

The distinction is that when a Jew gets saved they are the fulfilment of the OT promises to Israel as far as spiritual promises are concerned.

What does this mean exactly? Are not both Jew and Gentile saved the same way? What promises are you talking about exactly?

It also shows that God has not abandoned His people Israel.

What do you mean by "His people Israel"? Do you mean it the same way that Paul described?

Romans 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying, 3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. 5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Paul said that God did not abandon "His people which he foreknew" that were Israelites like him. Who were HIs people which He foreknew? All Israelites? No. Paul was talking about the "remnant" of Israelites "according to the election of grace". He was saying that saved Israelites were God's people that He foreknew and did not cast away. The rest were blinded and cut off (Romans 11:7,17-20).

In the body there is no advantage but there is still a distinction.

No, there is not. You are not accepting what Paul taught.

Romans 10:12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”[f]

Jewish believers still need to be circumsiced according to the Command given to abraham as a sign of the covenant.

No, they do not! Nowhere does scripture teach this. The old covenant law of Moses that required circumcision was made obsolete and is no longer in effect.

Hebrews 8:13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

Circumcision now means nothing! Read the scriptures!

1 Corintihans 7:17 Nevertheless, each person should live as a believer in whatever situation the Lord has assigned to them, just as God has called them. This is the rule I lay down in all the churches. 18 Was a man already circumcised when he was called? He should not become uncircumcised. Was a man uncircumcised when he was called? He should not be circumcised. 19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God’s commands is what counts.

Galatians 5:1 It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery. 2 Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3 Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. 4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.

Jewish believers still need to keep Sabbath as it was an eternal sign between God and Israel.

Wrong. The old covenant law is obsolete. You need to read the New Testament.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Thanks for the confirmation of your tribulation hallucination.

Well time will show who is right and who has hallucinations won't we. Keep looking for a 1 world govt., ten rulers, a rebuilt temple and a Russian invasion of Israel.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

In relation specifically to the church, yes.

Sorry but Paul and Peter made distinctions. Paul specifically forbade women from teaching!

What does this mean exactly? Are not both Jew and Gentile saved the same way? What promises are you talking about exactly?

Read the OT. Al;so saved jews still must circumcise their children according to teh covenant of Abraham. Saved Jews must still observe Sabbath worship. that is an everlasting sign for Jews and god.

Paul said that God did not abandon "His people which he foreknew" that were Israelites like him. Who were HIs people which He foreknew? All Israelites? No. Paul was talking about the "remnant" of Israelites "according to the election of grace". He was saying that saved Israelites were God's people that He foreknew and did not cast away. The rest were blinded and cut off (Romans 11:7,17-20).

Yes it is a remnant now. but in the last days of the tribulation, the entire surviving remnant of Israel on earth will get saved. Then teh Millennial kingdom is the fulffilment of the OT prophesies to Israel.

 

[covenantee]

Well time will show who is right and who has hallucinations won't we. Keep looking for a 1 world govt., ten rulers, a rebuilt temple and a Russian invasion of Israel.

You go right ahead wasting your time looking.

Here's Who I'm looking for:

Hebrews 12
2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith...

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Sorry but Paul and Peter made distinctions. Paul specifically forbade women from teaching!

Sorry, but in terms of being part of the church, one's gender did not mean anything. Having different roles in the church is different than what qualified someone to be in the church. In that sense there was no distinction between Jews and Gentiles or males and females. You're trying to say there is a distinction between Jews and Gentiles as it relates to salvation, but there is not.

Read the OT.

Read the NT so that you learn what the OT is really about.

Al;so saved jews still must circumcise their children according to teh covenant of Abraham. Saved Jews must still observe Sabbath worship. that is an everlasting sign for Jews and god.

Nonsense. The old covenant is OBSOLETE forever.

Yes it is a remnant now. but in the last days of the tribulation, the entire surviving remnant of Israel on earth will get saved.

Nowhere does it teach that all of the surviving remnant of Israel will be saved.

Romans 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

This does not say that a remnant shall be saved after the rest are killed. It means the same thing as a remnant being saved in Paul's day and ever since means. It means a remnant of living Israelites are saved and the rest of the living Israelites are not. Nowhere does it say that literally everyone in Israel would be saved at any point. How could that even happen? Why would it happen? Is God a respecter of persons who would ensure the salvation of everyone in one nation but not every person in the other nations? No, scripture says that God is not a respecter of persons in that sense (Acts 10:34-35).

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You go right ahead wasting your time looking.

Here's Who I'm looking for:

Hebrews 12
2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith...

Yes, let's keep looking for the truth (John 14:6) while he keeps looking for fairy tales to come true.