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The year 1948 marked a significant turning point
Your zionist racialization is a bankrupt vacuity both Scripturally and scientifically.

Genetically, you and I and everyone on the planet are both Jew and Gentile, because after thousands of years of natural genetic dispersion and diffusion, Jewish DNA is ubiquitous throughout humanity, and Gentile DNA is ubiquitous throughout humanity.

The Abrahamic genome has been mixed from the time of Jacob, who was the offspring of Isaac, and Rebekah a Gentile.

This is consistent with the nature of God, who is not a racist. Acts 10:34,35

Nor can He be contorted into one, despite your most desperate efforts.

Corroborated empirically by the Jewish community itself (identified today by culture and religion, not by genetics).

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https://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/...her-claims-proof-of-tribe-of-Ephraim-in-India
https://www.jta.org/2013/05/23/life...bush-bani-israel-tribe-claims-jewish-heritage

Demonstrated mathematically.

Example of ancestral genetic ubiquity:

Charlemagne’s DNA and Our Universal Royalty

BY CARL ZIMMER

Nobody in my past was hugely famous, at least that I know of. I vaguely recall that an ancestor of mine who shipped over on the Mayflower distinguished himself by falling out of the ship and having to get fished out of the water. He might be notable, I guess, but hardly famous. It is much more fun to think that I am a bloodline descendant of Charlemagne. And in 1999, Joseph Chang gave me permission to think that way.

Chang was not a genealogist who had decided to make me his personal project. Instead, he is a statistician at Yale who likes to think of genealogy as a mathematical problem. When you draw your genealogy, you make two lines from yourself back to each of your parents. Then you have to draw two lines for each of them, back to your four grandparents. And then eight great-grandparents, sixteen great-great-grandparents, and so on. But not so on for very long. If you go back to the time of Charlemagne, forty generations or so, you should get to a generation of a trillion ancestors. That’s about two thousand times more people than existed on Earth when Charlemagne was alive.

The only way out of this paradox is to assume that our ancestors are not independent of one another. That is, if you trace their ancestry back, you loop back to a common ancestor. We’re not talking about first-cousin stuff here–more like twentieth-cousin. This means that instead of drawing a tree that fans out exponentially, we need to draw a web-like tapestry.

In a paper he published in 1999 [pdf], Chang analyzed this tapestry mathematically. If you look at the ancestry of a living population of people, he concluded, you’ll eventually find a common ancestor of all of them. That’s not to say that a single mythical woman somehow produced every European by magically laying a clutch of eggs. All this means is that as you move back through time, sooner or later some of the lines in the genealogy will cross, meeting at a single person.

As you go back further in time, more of those lines cross as you encounter more common ancestors of the living population. And then something really interesting happens. There comes a point at which, Chang wrote, “all individuals who have any descendants among the present-day individuals are actually ancestors of all present-day individuals.”

In 2002, the journalist Steven Olson wrote an article in the Atlantic about Chang’s work. To put some empirical meat on the abstract bones of Chang’s research, Olson considered a group of real people–living Europeans.

The most recent common ancestor of every European today (except for recent immigrants to the Continent) was someone who lived in Europe in the surprisingly recent past—only about 600 years ago. In other words, all Europeans alive today have among their ancestors the same man or woman who lived around 1400. Before that date, according to Chang’s model, the number of ancestors common to all Europeans today increased, until, about a thousand years ago, a peculiar situation prevailed: 20 percent of the adult Europeans alive in 1000 would turn out to be the ancestors of no one living today (that is, they had no children or all their descendants eventually died childless); each of the remaining 80 percent would turn out to be a direct ancestor of every European living today.

Suddenly, my pedigree looked classier: I am a descendant of Charlemagne. Of course, so is every other European. By the way, I’m also a descendant of Nefertiti. And so are you, and everyone else on Earth today. Chang figured that out by expanding his model from living Europeans to living humans, and getting an estimate of 3400 years instead of a thousand for the all-ancestor generation.

Things have changed a lot in the fourteen years since Chang published his first paper on ancestry. Scientists have amassed huge databases of genetic information about people all over the world. These may not be the same thing as a complete genealogy of the human race, but geneticists can still use them to tackle some of the same questions that intrigued Chang.

Recently, two geneticists, Peter Ralph of the University of Southern California and Graham Coop of the University of California at Davis, decided to look at the ancestry of Europe. They took advantage of a compilation of information about 2257 people from across the continent. Scientists had examined half a million sites in each person’s DNA, creating a distinctive list of genetic markers for each of them.

You can use this kind of genetic information to make some genealogical inferences, but you have to know what you’re dealing with. Your DNA is not a carbon copy of your parents’. Each time they made eggs or sperm, they shuffled the two copies of each of their chromosomes and put one in the cell. Just as a new deck gets more scrambled the more times you shuffle it, chromosomes get more shuffled from one generation to the next.

This means that if you compare two people’s DNA, you will find some chunks that are identical in sequence. The more closely related people are, the bigger the chunks you’ll find. This diagram shows how two first cousins share a piece of DNA that’s identical by descent (IBD for short).

Ralph and Coop identified 1.9 million of these long shared segments of DNA shared by at least two people in their study. They then used the length of each segment to estimate how long ago it arose from a common ancestor of the living Europeans.

Their results, published today in PLOS Biology, both confirm Chang’s mathematical approach and enrich it. Even within the past thousand years, Ralph and Coop found, people on opposite sides of the continent share a lot of segments in common–so many, in fact, that it’s statistically impossible for them to have gotten them all from a single ancestor. Instead, someone in Turkey and someone in England have to share a lot of ancestors. In fact, as Chang suspected, the only way to explain the DNA is to conclude that everyone who lived a thousand years ago who has any descendants today is an ancestor of every European. Charlemagne for everyone!

If you compare two people in Turkey, you’ll find bigger shared segments of DNA, which isn’t surprising. Since they live in the same country, chances are they have more recent ancestors, and more of them. But there is a rich, intriguing pattern to the number of shared segments among Europeans. People across Eastern Europe, for example, have a larger set of shared segments than people from within single countries in Western Europe. That difference may be the signature of a big expansion of the Slavs.

Ralph and Coop’s study may provide a new tool for reconstructing the history of humans on every continent.

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How does God distinguish genetic Jews from genetic Jews?

It matters not one whit.

God has only two covenant criteria.

Two spiritual genes.

Faith and obedience.

Abraham's Spiritual DNA.

And nothing else.
 
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If you mean a discussion where we each learn from each other, then you're right about that.
You finally admit it. What does it mean when someone is unwilling to accept correction? What does it mean when someone is unwilling to examine arguments and evidence from an objective perspective?

When someone is unable to examine arguments and evidence, it might suggest that they have difficulty critically analyzing information or thinking objectively. This could stem from various factors, such as cognitive biases, lack of experience with logical reasoning, emotional attachment to a particular belief, or simply not having access to the necessary information or skills to evaluate the material. It can also reflect unwillingness to question preconceived notions or to engage with opposing viewpoints.


That is simply not true. It has plenty to say about the future, but I happen to believe the obvious, which is that the NT sheds more light on what will happen in the future.
You didn't answer my question earlier. From your perspective, what OT passages have not yet come to pass? You already admitted that all OT prophecies have already been fulfilled in Christ. Did you change your mind?
LOL. Ridiculous. You are 100% clueless. I'm not willing to interpret any OT scriptures in such a way that they contradict NT scriptures.
As I said, you don't allow the OT to correct your interpretation of the NT. Your interpretation of the NT is incorrect but you have no way to spot your errors or mistakes because you have already decided that the OT must agree with YOUR interpretation of the NT.

There are a variety of reasons why someone might not allow the Old Testament to inform their interpretation of the New Testament. For example:

Theological Perspective: Some individuals or groups may believe that the New Testament supersedes the Old Testament, rendering the latter less relevant to understanding the former. This view, often referred to as "supersessionism," can lead to a focus on the teachings and covenant of the New Testament.

You are apparently okay with that, but you shouldn't be. It's all scripture and there are no contradictions. But, you create contradictions between OT and NT scripture.
We both do, but only one of us is willing to harmonize the two.
What in the world is wrong with allowing the NT to shed light on the OT?
Nothing is wrong with that. Your error is to not allow the OT to shed light on the NT.
I'm not doing anything different than you in terms of sharing my views while making it clear that I disagree with yours.
You are doing much more than that. I'll leave it there.
 

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Your zionist racialization is a bankrupt vacuity both Scripturally and scientifically.
You need to maintain the distinction between terms like "race," "ethnicity", "and "nationality."

The terms "race," "ethnicity," and "nationality" are often used interchangeably, but they represent distinct concepts:

Race: Race typically refers to physical characteristics, such as skin color, facial features, or hair texture, which are often used to categorize individuals into groups. These distinctions are largely based on genetic ancestry, though race is also a socially constructed concept rather than purely biological. Common examples include classifications like Black, White, Asian, or Indigenous.

Ethnicity: Ethnicity relates to cultural identity, including shared traditions, language, religion, and customs. It’s about belonging to a particular cultural or social group rather than physical traits. For example, someone might identify ethnically as Hispanic, Ashkenazi Jewish, or Somali based on shared cultural heritage.

Nationality: Nationality is linked to legal membership in a specific country or nation-state. It generally refers to where a person holds citizenship or where they are formally recognized as belonging. For instance, being American or Japanese is a matter of nationality.

To sum up:

Race is about physical traits and social constructs.

Ethnicity emphasizes cultural heritage and identity.

Nationality is legal affiliation with a country.

These terms can overlap, but they each highlight different aspects of identity. Which of these are you most curious to explore further?

In 1948, a diverse group of individuals who shared a common cultural heritage and identity sought to establish independence through the creation of the modern nation-state of Israel. This movement was driven by a deep historical connection to the land and a desire for self-determination, particularly in the aftermath of the atrocities of World War II and the Holocaust. The establishment of Israel was not predicated on racial criteria; rather, it was founded on a shared cultural, religious, and historical identity that aimed to provide a haven for Jewish people from around the world. The declaration of independence on May 14, 1948, marked a significant turning point in Jewish history and the geopolitical landscape of the region.

The restoration of Israel is among the first markers of the Day of the Lord when God, through his son Jesus, rules over the world for a thousand years from the city of Jerusalem.
 

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You need to maintain the distinction between terms like "race," "ethnicity", "and "nationality."

The terms "race," "ethnicity," and "nationality" are often used interchangeably, but they represent distinct concepts:

Race: Race typically refers to physical characteristics, such as skin color, facial features, or hair texture, which are often used to categorize individuals into groups. These distinctions are largely based on genetic ancestry, though race is also a socially constructed concept rather than purely biological. Common examples include classifications like Black, White, Asian, or Indigenous.

Ethnicity: Ethnicity relates to cultural identity, including shared traditions, language, religion, and customs. It’s about belonging to a particular cultural or social group rather than physical traits. For example, someone might identify ethnically as Hispanic, Ashkenazi Jewish, or Somali based on shared cultural heritage.

Nationality: Nationality is linked to legal membership in a specific country or nation-state. It generally refers to where a person holds citizenship or where they are formally recognized as belonging. For instance, being American or Japanese is a matter of nationality.

To sum up:

Race is about physical traits and social constructs.

Ethnicity emphasizes cultural heritage and identity.

Nationality is legal affiliation with a country.

These terms can overlap, but they each highlight different aspects of identity. Which of these are you most curious to explore further?

In 1948, a diverse group of individuals who shared a common cultural heritage and identity sought to establish independence through the creation of the modern nation-state of Israel. This movement was driven by a deep historical connection to the land and a desire for self-determination, particularly in the aftermath of the atrocities of World War II and the Holocaust. The establishment of Israel was not predicated on racial criteria; rather, it was founded on a shared cultural, religious, and historical identity that aimed to provide a haven for Jewish people from around the world. The declaration of independence on May 14, 1948, marked a significant turning point in Jewish history and the geopolitical landscape of the region.

The restoration of Israel is among the first markers of the Day of the Lord when God, through his son Jesus, rules over the world for a thousand years from the city of Jerusalem.
You, I, and the entirety of humanity possess both Jewish and Gentile DNA. There is no such thing as a purebred Jewish race. Abraham is a genetic ancestor of us all.

Zionism's racism and dispensationalism's racism are no different from Hitler's aryanism.

All are abominations.
 

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You, I, and the entirety of humanity possess both Jewish and Gentile DNA. There is no such thing as a purebred Jewish race. Abraham is a genetic ancestor of us all.

Zionism's racism and dispensationalism's racism are no different from Hitler's aryanism.

All are abominations.
LOL. Still worried about the DNA. SMH

I think God knows who is who
 

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Your error is to not allow the OT to shed light on the NT.
Your error is attempting to replace the NT with the OT, in clear violation of Hebrews 8:6; 8:13; 9:15; 10:9 et al.

You deny the Scriptural meaning, significance, and operation of wills and testaments.

That denial is a clear manifestation of cultism.
 
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You, I, and the entirety of humanity possess both Jewish and Gentile DNA. There is no such thing as a purebred Jewish race. Abraham is a genetic ancestor of us all.

Zionism's racism and dispensationalism's racism are no different from Hitler's aryanism.

All are abominations.
Amos 9:9 “For behold, I am commanding, And I will shake the house of Israel among all nations As grain is shaken in a sieve, But not a kernel will fall to the ground.
 

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Your error is attempting to replace the NT with the OT, in clear violation of Hebrews 8:6; 8:13; 9:15; 10:9 et al.

You deny the Scriptural meaning, significance, and operation of wills and testaments.

That denial is a clear manifestation of cultism.
On the contrary, I maintain that both the OT and NT can be understood and both are profitable for correction.
 

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You finally admit it. What does it mean when someone is unwilling to accept correction? What does it mean when someone is unwilling to examine arguments and evidence from an objective perspective?
LOL. You tell me. Are you pretending as if you are willing to do that? Clearly, your mind is made up on this particular topic. So is mine. So what? Are we supposed to never make up our minds about anything?

If I was never objective about this then I wouldn't have changed from being a Premill to an Amill. But, I'm now fully convinced that Amill is true. The evidence is overwhelming, in my opinion. Is there something wrong with being fully convinced that something is true? You are clearly fully convinced that what you believe is true and don't show any indication whatsoever that your mind could possibly be changed. So, should I then accuse you of being unwilling to examine arguments and evidence from an objective perspective?

When someone is unable to examine arguments and evidence, it might suggest that they have difficulty critically analyzing information or thinking objectively. This could stem from various factors, such as cognitive biases, lack of experience with logical reasoning, emotional attachment to a particular belief, or simply not having access to the necessary information or skills to evaluate the material. It can also reflect unwillingness to question preconceived notions or to engage with opposing viewpoints.
LOL. Okay, Dr. CadyandZoe. LOL. You are hilarious. Who do you think you're fooling by acting as if you are objective about these things and are willing to potentially change your mind about these things? LOL. Get out of here with your nonsense.

You didn't answer my question earlier. From your perspective, what OT passages have not yet come to pass?
I don't recall seeing that question. Why would you ask me that when you accuse me of claiming that they all came to pass? Anyway, I read and respond to a lot of posts besides just yours, so I may miss something here and there.

Instead of listing them all and taking up a ton of space, I'll just list some of them to show that your claim that I say that all OT prophecies are fulfilled is false.

Job 19:25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: 26 And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God: 27 Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me.

Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. 18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy. 19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying. 20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed. 21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them. 22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands. 23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the Lord, and their offspring with them. 24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear. 25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord.

Isaiah 25:7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations. 8 He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord God will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the Lord hath spoken it.

Isaiah 34:1 Come near, ye nations, to hear; and hearken, ye people: let the earth hear, and all that is therein; the world, and all things that come forth of it. 2 For the indignation of the Lord is upon all nations, and his fury upon all their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to the slaughter. 3 Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcases, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood. 4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree. 5 For my sword shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon Idumea, and upon the people of my curse, to judgment. 6 The sword of the Lord is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the Lord hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea. 7 And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness. 8 For it is the day of the Lord's vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion. 9 And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch.

You already admitted that all OT prophecies have already been fulfilled in Christ. Did you change your mind?
That is not what I said, you liar! I said that the OT prophecies that specifically mention the Messiah (Christ) are fulfilled, not that all OT prophecies are fulfilled in Christ. I also have said that things that are related to His second coming are not yet fulfilled. The resurrection of the dead is prophesied about in the OT, but not in direct relation to His second coming. We learn that in the New Testament.

But, all prophecies that directly mention Him were about His first coming. What else did He mean when He said this:

Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Clearly, not all OT prophecies mention Him, so I am not saying that all OT prophecies are fulfilled. Why do you not have any conscience about blatantly lying like this? You are evil.

As I said, you don't allow the OT to correct your interpretation of the NT.
You don't allow the NT to correct your interpretation of the OT. You interpret the OT in such a way that contradicts the NT which contains many references to OT prophecies and explains them quite differently than you understand them.

Your interpretation of the NT is incorrect but you have no way to spot your errors or mistakes because you have already decided that the OT must agree with YOUR interpretation of the NT.
You are completely unable to prove this, so these kinds of comments mean nothing to me.

We both do, but only one of us is willing to harmonize the two.
Right. And that is me.
 
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Amos 9:9 “For behold, I am commanding, And I will shake the house of Israel among all nations As grain is shaken in a sieve, But not a kernel will fall to the ground.
Matthew 23
13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
 

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On the contrary, I maintain that both the OT and NT can be understood and both are profitable for correction.
Amos 9:9 “For behold, I am commanding, And I will shake the house of Israel among all nations As grain is shaken in a sieve, But not a kernel will fall to the ground.

Matthew 23
13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?


When there is apparent disagreement between the OT and NT, which one takes precedence?
 
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Matthew 23
13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
There's no point in quoting NT scripture to him as the NT is meaningless to him. He only accepts the OT and his flawed understanding of it. He thinks he knows the OT better than the NT authors did.
 
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Revelation 20:6 tells us: "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."
This quote only applies to the believing remnant of Israel.........the first resurrection is comprised of the old testament saints and the believing remnant of Israel who believed on the name of Jesus (John 20:31}........The remnant will be kings and priests (Revelation 1:6) in the promised earthly kingdom and reign with him for a thousand years
 

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This quote only applies to the believing remnant of Israel.........the first resurrection is comprised of the old testament saints and the believing remnant of Israel who believed on the name of Jesus (John 20:31}........The remnant will be kings and priests (Revelation 1:6) in the promised earthly kingdom and reign with him for a thousand years
I see that you referenced Revelation 1:6. Why do you say that verse is talking about something that will happen in the future when John indicated that it was a current reality when he was writing the book?

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Peter also indicated that it is a current reality.

1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
 
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This quote only applies to the believing remnant of Israel.........the first resurrection is comprised of the old testament saints and the believing remnant of Israel who believed on the name of Jesus (John 20:31}........The remnant will be kings and priests (Revelation 1:6) in the promised earthly kingdom and reign with him for a thousand years

I though you were ignoring me? Can you not keep your word?

This above is typical of you manipulating Scripture to support what you have been taught.
 

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Amos 9:9 “For behold, I am commanding, And I will shake the house of Israel among all nations As grain is shaken in a sieve, But not a kernel will fall to the ground.

Matthew 23
13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?


When there is apparent disagreement between the OT and NT, which one takes precedence?

Excellent question. Sadly, for Premils it is often the vaguer OT.
 
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I don't recall seeing that question.
Okay, I get it. Sometimes, we don't read each other's posts to hear what the other person is saying. So why do you accuse others of what you do?
That is not what I said, you liar! I said that the OT prophecies that specifically mention the Messiah (Christ) are fulfilled, not that all OT prophecies are fulfilled in Christ. I also have said that things that are related to His second coming are not yet fulfilled. The resurrection of the dead is prophesied about in the OT, but not in direct relation to His second coming. We learn that in the New Testament.
What you said:

Post #1242
"There are no OT prophecies which refer specifically to His future second coming like the NT does."


Post #1275
"What I actually did say, which should not be too hard to understand, is that the OT prophecies that were specifically about Christ have been fulfilled and I used Luke 24:44 to support that claim."

You refuse to accept OT prophecies concerning a millennial kingdom because, in your view, the OT prophecies that were explicitly about Christ have been fulfilled." This is why you ask me to provide NT passages of scripture to support the Millennial period when Jesus Christ will literally and physically rule on the earth.

But, all prophecies that directly mention Him were about His first coming.
No, that isn't true, but you wouldn't know because, according to you, all prophecies specifically about Christ have been fulfilled.
 

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I see that you referenced Revelation 1:6. Why do you say that verse is talking about something that will happen in the future when John indicated that it was a current reality when he was writing the book?

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Peter also indicated that it is a current reality.

1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
I see that you referenced Revelation 1:6. Why do you say that verse is talking about something that will happen in the future when John indicated that it was a current reality when he was writing the book?

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
[Rev 1:6-7 KJV] 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him [be] glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. 7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they [also] which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

This is speaking of the future..........look at v7.......Jesus has not come back yet

[Rev 1:1 KJV] 1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified [it] by his angel unto his servant John:

The first verse says the things written will come to pass.......future not present
Peter also indicated that it is a current reality.

1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
[1Pe 1:5, 7 KJV] 5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. ... 7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:

We see the same thing here.....they have not yet received their salvation,,,,,for national Israel their salvation occurs at Christ's coming......their trial of faith however was present time

[1Pe 1:8 KJV] 8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see [him] not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:

Christ has not yet come