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As there is nowhere in the Bible that actually says anyone will be taken to live in heaven; do you have a Plan B?
NOTE: ....I will come again......
Well when you edit the bible and remove part of a verse from its context.
Don't need one.
As this Prophecy is very clearly for when Jesus Returns, then where He is, will be on earth - in Jerusalem.
Rev 19 does not say who exactly those people are. We know that from Revelation 6:9-11, they are the souls of the martyrs.
That passage means we will be with Jesus wherever He is, which doesn't have to be in heaven. We will be with Him for eternity in the new heavens and new earth. Tell me why we will meet Jesus in the air if He's then going to take us back to heaven? It makes no sense for Him to come meet us in the air and then turn around and go back to heaven. That would be completely pointless for Him to do that. It would make much more sense for us to just meet Him in heaven if that's where we were going to end up.
It calls them the wife of the Lamb (Rev 19:8). Who is the bride/wife of Christ except for the church? It's the souls of the dead in Christ which He will bring with Him when He comes (1 Thess 4:14).
In other posts, you claim that no one has gone to heaven except Jesus and now you're contradicting yourself by saying that the souls of the martryrs are there. Why would only the souls of the martyrs be there and not the souls of believers who were not martyrs as well?
It doesn't matter whether or not it makes sense to our finite minds or not! If God says it, then it is true.
No it is not clearly. Just to those who allegorize and redefine Scripture. This passage says nothing about Jesus return to earth. We meet Him in the air.
Well there is only bride spoken in the bible and that is the church,Christians! So unless you want to add to Gods word some mystery bride in heaven, you are forced to accept the Church in heaven.
God never said that we will be taken to heaven after we meet Jesus in the air. That's what you want to believe, but scripture never says that.
Show me where we are supposed to understand all of this in the context of a Jewish wedding. That is not stated anywhere. You are again just making things up. Our eternal home will be the new earth, so that is why Jesus will leave heaven and meet us in the air. We will then be with Him forever on the new earth after that. He will renew heaven and bring the new heaven to the new earth.
Wrong!
No, you're wrong! See, I can do that, too.
Stop right there. You're not taking other scripture into account here. You're sharing things from your imagination, but not from scripture. Nowhere does it say after He leaves earth, He goes back to heaven. It says He will come again. From where? Heaven. And He will receive us to Himself. Where? According to Paul, He will receive us to Himself "in the air" (1 Thess 4:14-17). So, stop adding what you want scripture to say and accept what scripture actually says instead.
Yes, and He's bringing it to us. Otherwise, there would be no reason for Him to leave heaven and we would just be gathered to Him there instead of "in the air".
No, He isn't. You have nothing to support that claim except for a misinterpretation of John 14:1-3. You have absolutely nothing else you can even try to offer to support your view.
No, it's what you say while misinterpreting God's word.
Such as?
Mostly agree, except He also didn't say He would come back and receive us to Himself on earth, either. Paul said we will meet Him in the air (1 Thess 4:14-17). I ask pre-tribs why we would meet Him in the air instead of just meeting Him in heaven if we were going to end up in heaven, anyway, and they have nothing but lame responses to that question, if they respond at all. But, I ask you, a post-trib Premill, why we wouldn't just meet Him on earth if He's coming to earth instead of meeting Him in the air?
Because the faithful Christian peoples will be scattered around the world and need to be transported to Jerusalem.
I disagree since I believe our next destination will be the eternal new heavens and new earth instead of Jerusalem, but at least you recognize that Matthew 24:31 refers to the same event as 1 Thess 4:14-17.
Jesus Returns as King of Kings and Lord of Lords; does He immediately hand the Kingdom to the Father?
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So you do not believe that when Jesus ascended, He did not go back to heaven as He said?
Well as you say we do not go to heaven for the millennial kingdom, is the Fathers house inmid air?
So who is the bride in heaven in REv. 19?
Yes oiur Fathers house after the millennial kingdom is coming to earth, but we will be there already. But during the Millennial kingdom it is not on earth.
No I accept the words and their definitions as written.
There is a resurrection at the 2nd coming. It's resurrection of the people of Daniel. However, the Church has already been raised before this tribulation. And the 2nd coming occurs at the 6th seal.
There is a rapture at 1 Cor 15, but it is the rapture that occurs at the 6th seal shown above.
The 7th trumpet blown by an angel has nothing to do with the rapture of the Church or the rapture at the seal. What you are saying is unscriptural. You have the Church going through the wrath of God when it should be clear that we are not appointed to wrath.
It is.
No. There is a secret rapture of the Church.
There will be a rapture at the second coming. It certainly won't be the Church. They are already in heaven by the time the rapture at the 6th seal occurs. Then the 7th seal is opened and the wrath of God begins. The 7th trumpet does not happen until the end of Gods wrath.
Obviously. And the second coming occurs at the 6th seal, when all eyes see the coming of the Lord. Jesus never touches the earth at the 6th seal. He sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth. All return to heaven for the marriage supper. After the marriage supper the armies of heaven come for Armageddon and then the 7th trumpet sounds as Jesus touches the Mount of Olives.. "Zion" in Isa 66 and Rev 12 is the nation of Israel. The manchild is the messiah...it is He who will rule all nations with a rod of iron (yes, overcomers will rule with him but HE does the ruling) Isa 66 itself tells us what happens when the Lord returns
Isa 66:15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
This is obviously referring to the second coming and not some supersecret pre-trib rapture.
