The 6th seal great tribulation

tailgator · Feb 14, 2025

Bladerunner said:
John is telling us in REv 1:9 that He is my Brother of the Church (the Body of Jesus Christ) and in His vision, He is Caught-up (Harpozo)to heaven representing the rapture of the same church. You are right that He will not go through either the 1st half of Daniel's 70th week or 2nd half know as the great Tribulation/Jacob's trouble. 1/4 of the population of the earth (1. 875 Billion people) will die during the Seal Judgements. Another 1/3 of the remaining population (1.875 Billion people) will die during the Trumpet Judgements and all the fish and souls in the sea will die plus an undisclosed number of people dying during the Bowl Judgements. I cannot believe that the death toll of the Bowl Judgements will be any less than the first two resulting in 5.65 Billion people dying during Daniel's 70th week. It is going to be horrendous people. Belief it OR NOT!

The fourth part of the earth is affected by the seals ,bowls ,
The rest of the earth is not.

I understand where the fourth part of the earth is.

Revelation 6
8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

Scott Downey · Feb 14, 2025

tailgator said:
Jesus said there would be great tribulation after them in judea see the abomination of desolation from their rooftops or the fields.

That would be the same abomination of desolation John described in revelation 6 causing the earthquake and the sky departing from earth .

The sixth seal is the last day when Christ returns. The world is torn apart then.
Revelation chapter by chapter is not put together in linear time

We read an overview and in later chapters the message goes back into greater details.

These are visions but not a full-length movie continuously progressing forward in time, there are flashbacks.

Douggg · Feb 14, 2025

Scott Downey said:
The sixth seal is the last day when Christ returns. The world is torn apart then.
Revelation chapter by chapter is not put together in linear time

The sixth seal event is close to the day Jesus returns. But is 45 days prior to. During the 45 days, the kings of the earth will gather their armies at Armageddon to prepare to make war on Jesus and His army.

Matthew 24:30
a. And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: (the sixth seal event)
b. and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Douggg · Feb 14, 2025

tailgator said:
The fourth part of the earth is affected by the seals ,bowls ,
The rest of the earth is not.

Revelation 6
8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

The verse is referring to a fourth part of the earth's population, not a fourth part of the earth's geography.

As the great tribulation advances, as the trumpet plagues and the vials of God's wrath take place, the population of the earth keep reducing. i.e. starting with 8 billion, then reduced to say 6 billion, then to 4 billion, then to 2 billion, then to 1 billion, then to 500 million, then to 250 million, then 125 million, etc.

The final population at the time of Jesus's return is not given.

Jay Ross · Feb 14, 2025

Bladerunner said:
There are three main judgements. The Seals beginning in Rev 6 continuing until Rev chapter 8, Here the Trumpet judgements begin and end in Rev 11:15....This begins the Bowl Judgements that last until the seventh bowl is poured out in Rev 16:17. Keep in mind that the 7th part of each Judgement, begins the Next Judgement. Jesus called the Bowl Judgements the "great tribulation" as well as calling it "Jacob's troubles." this is the second half of Daniel's 70th week.

Ie we read the Seventh Bowl Judgement carefully we can discern that this Bowl Judgement has already happen and that it predominately happened during the 20 century with some aspects carrying over into this century.

At present we are seeing the events, that are spoken about in the Sixth Bowl Judgement, playing out during this present time which will end with the gathering of the Kings of the earth at Armageddon to be judged, and as Isaiah 24:21-22 explains to us, and so will the heavenly hosts will be judged also at the same time that the Kings of the earth are judged at Armageddon and together, both the judged kings of the earth and the judged heavenly hosts, will be gathered together and imprisoned in the Bottomless Pit for 1,000 years. It is my belief that the kings of the earth will be gathered at Armageddon in around 20 years from now, probably in the year 2045. Then there will be a 1,000 year of relative peace on the earth with the removal of the beastly heavenly hosts which has been promised to the Nation of Israel in the Book of Ezekiel in chapter 34 for memory.

It is my view that the Bowl Judgements in Rev 20 have bee recorded for us in the reverse order in which they will happen with the 7th Bowl Judgement happening first, which is then followed closely by the 6th Bowl after which there will be a 1,000-year period of peace from the influence of the heavenly host beasts after which the Judged Kings of the earth and the Judged Heavenly Hosts during the Little While Period of around 24 years, will cause much turmoil and tribulation on the earth before they are all overcome by Christ and sent into the Lake of Fire.

At the present time we are still being distracted from God's blessing by the cares of the world that we are experiencing.

Shalom

Rockerduck · Feb 14, 2025

Jay Ross said:
Ie we read the Seventh Bowl Judgement carefully we can discern that this Bowl Judgement has already happen and that it predominately happened during the 20 century with some aspects carrying over into this century.

At present we are seeing the events, that are spoken about in the Sixth Bowl Judgement, playing out during this present time which will end with the gathering of the Kings of the earth at Armageddon to be judged, and as Isaiah 24:21-22 explains to us, and so will the heavenly hosts will be judged also at the same time that the Kings of the earth are judged at Armageddon and together, both the judged kings of the earth and the judged heavenly hosts, will be gathered together and imprisoned in the Bottomless Pit for 1,000 years. It is my belief that the kings of the earth will be gathered at Armageddon in around 20 years from now, probably in the year 2045. Then there will be a 1,000 year of relative peace on the earth with the removal of the beastly heavenly hosts which has been promised to the Nation of Israel in the Book of Ezekiel in chapter 34 for memory.

It is my view that the Bowl Judgements in Rev 20 have bee recorded for us in the reverse order in which they will happen with the 7th Bowl Judgement happening first, which is then followed closely by the 6th Bowl after which there will be a 1,000-year period of peace from the influence of the heavenly host beasts after which the Judged Kings of the earth and the Judged Heavenly Hosts during the Little While Period of around 24 years, will cause much turmoil and tribulation on the earth before they are all overcome by Christ and sent into the Lake of Fire.

At the present time we are still being distracted from God's blessing by the cares of the world that we are experiencing.

Shalom

Agreed. Revelation is symbolism and not chronological.

tailgator · Feb 14, 2025

Scott Downey said:
The sixth seal is the last day when Christ returns. The world is torn apart then.
Revelation chapter by chapter is not put together in linear time

We read an overview and in later chapters the message goes back into greater details.

These are visions but not a full-length movie continuously progressing forward in time, there are flashbacks.

The sixth seal is great tribulation.
The world is in nuclear war

tailgator · Feb 14, 2025

Douggg said:
Revelation 6
8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

The verse is referring to a fourth part of the earth's population, not a fourth part of the earth's geography.

As the great tribulation advances, as the trumpet plagues and the vials of God's wrath take place, the population of the earth keep reducing. i.e. starting with 8 billion, then reduced to say 6 billion, then to 4 billion, then to 2 billion, then to 1 billion, then to 500 million, then to 250 million, then 125 million, etc.

The final population at the time of Jesus's return is not given.

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It says the fourth part of the earth
Not the fourt part of population

It's just like the king of the north destroying the middle east in Daniel 11.Hes not destroying South America.

Scott Downey · Feb 14, 2025

tailgator said:
The sixth seal is great tribulation.
The world is in nuclear war

The return of Christ is a 'sudden destruction' not some long drawn out years long event.
6th seal all happens in one day, the last day is the return of Christ

1 Thess 5
But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape.

4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. 5 You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness.

6 Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be [a]sober. 7 For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk are drunk at night. 8 But let us who are of the day be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet the hope of salvation. 9 For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, 10 who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him.

11 Therefore [b]comfort each other and [c]edify one another, just as you also are doing.

Jesus told us to be careful and watch! As does Paul.

Matthew 24:42
Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming.

Matthew 24:43
But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into.

Matthew 25:13
“Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming.

Mark 13

The Parable of the Fig Tree

28 “Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender, and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. 29 So you also, when you see these things happening, know that [i]it is near—at the doors! 30 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. 31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.

No One Knows the Day or Hour

32 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 33 Take heed, watch and pray; for you do not know when the time is. 34 It is like a man going to a far country, who left his house and gave authority to his servants, and to each his work, and commanded the doorkeeper to watch. 35 Watch therefore, for you do not know when the master of the house is coming—in the evening, at midnight, at the crowing of the rooster, or in the morning— 36 lest, coming suddenly, he find you sleeping. 37 And what I say to you, I say to all: Watch!”

Revelation 3:3
Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you.

Rev 16
14 For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings [a]of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

15 “Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame.”

16 And they gathered them together to the place called in Hebrew, [b]Armageddon.

Scott Downey · Feb 14, 2025

Revelation 16:14-16

New King James Version

14 For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings [a]of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 “Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame.”
16 And they gathered them together to the place called in Hebrew, [b]Armageddon.
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Proof that Jesus has not yet returned as a thief in the night for the church as we are well along into the Revelation story, and the gathering to Armageddon has occurred.
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Matthew 24:44
Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.

Luke 12:40
Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.”

Matthew 24:42
Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming.

Matthew 24:43
But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into.

Matthew 25:13
“Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming.

tailgator · Feb 14, 2025

Scott Downey said:
The return of Christ is a 'sudden destruction' not some long drawn out years long event.
6th seal all happens in one day, the last day is the return of Christ

1 Thess 5
But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape.

4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. 5 You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness.

6 Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be [a]sober. 7 For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk are drunk at night. 8 But let us who are of the day be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet the hope of salvation. 9 For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, 10 who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him.

11 Therefore [b]comfort each other and [c]edify one another, just as you also are doing.

Jesus told us to be careful and watch! As does Paul.

Matthew 24:42
Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming.

Matthew 24:43
But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into.

Matthew 25:13
“Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming.

Mark 13

The Parable of the Fig Tree
28 “Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender, and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. 29 So you also, when you see these things happening, know that [i]it is near—at the doors! 30 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. 31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.

No One Knows the Day or Hour
32 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 33 Take heed, watch and pray; for you do not know when the time is. 34 It is like a man going to a far country, who left his house and gave authority to his servants, and to each his work, and commanded the doorkeeper to watch. 35 Watch therefore, for you do not know when the master of the house is coming—in the evening, at midnight, at the crowing of the rooster, or in the morning— 36 lest, coming suddenly, he find you sleeping. 37 And what I say to you, I say to all: Watch!”

Revelation 3:3
Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you.

Rev 16
14 For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings [a]of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

15 “Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame.”

16 And they gathered them together to the place called in Hebrew, [b]Armageddon.

No one said it takes a year for the US armed forces to destroy the middle east

Using the abomination that causes desolation,they could achieve desolation and in one day.

This is the 6th seal being opened here when the king of the north goes forth to annihilate hundreds of millions of people

Daniel 11:44
But reports from the east and the north will alarm him, and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many.

Daniel says in Daniel 12:1-2 that it is at this time there is great tribulation and the dead are raised.

tailgator · Feb 14, 2025

It's as if people on this board don't know the destructive power of the nuclear bomb.

Or 100 of them.

Bladerunner · Feb 14, 2025

Jay Ross said:
Ie we read the Seventh Bowl Judgement carefully we can discern that this Bowl Judgement has already happen and that it predominately happened during the 20 century with some aspects carrying over into this century.

The Bowl/Vial Judgements begin at the middle (3.5 years from beginning) of Daniel's 70th week. None of the others have happened thus none of the Bowl/Vial judgements have or are happening at this time.

Jay Ross said:
At present we are seeing the events, that are spoken about in the Sixth Bowl Judgement, playing out during this present time which will end with the gathering of the Kings of the earth at Armageddon to be judged, and as Isaiah 24:21-22 explains to us, and so will the heavenly hosts will be judged also at the same time that the Kings of the earth are judged at Armageddon and together, both the judged kings of the earth and the judged heavenly hosts, will be gathered together and imprisoned in the Bottomless Pit for 1,000 years. It is my belief that the kings of the earth will be gathered at Armageddon in around 20 years from now, probably in the year 2045. Then there will be a 1,000 year of relative peace on the earth with the removal of the beastly heavenly hosts which has been promised to the Nation of Israel in the Book of Ezekiel in chapter 34 for memory.

Which of the 10 kings are being gathered especially since 3 of them have to be removed first. None of Daniel's 70 has happened todate.

Jay Ross said:
It is my view that the Bowl Judgements in Rev 20 have bee recorded for us in the reverse order in which they will happen with the 7th Bowl Judgement happening first, which is then followed closely by the 6th Bowl after which there will be a 1,000-year period of peace from the influence of the heavenly host beasts after which the Judged Kings of the earth and the Judged Heavenly Hosts during the Little While Period of around 24 years, will cause much turmoil and tribulation on the earth before they are all overcome by Christ and sent into the Lake of Fire.

At the present time we are still being distracted from God's blessing by the cares of the world that we are experiencing.

Shalom

I agree that many are being distracted while Israel is still partially blinded by Jesus Christ. This will not stop until the 'fulfillment of the Gentiles', Last days of Daniel's 70th week.

Shalom

Bladerunner · Feb 14, 2025

tailgator said:
The fourth part of the earth is affected by the seals ,bowls ,
The rest of the earth is not.

A fourth part or 1/4 of the earth as a whole will die. This may or may not be target at specific areas...We are not told......what we do know that 1/4 of the earth's population or 1.875 BILLION people will during this judgement.

tailgator said:
I understand where the fourth part of the earth is.

and where is the fourth part of the earth is....??

tailgator said:
Revelation 6
8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

OK, sounds like the whole world will have its share of death upon it.

Thanks

Bladerunner · Feb 14, 2025

tailgator said:
Jesus said there would be great tribulation after them in judea see the abomination of desolation from their rooftops or the fields.

Agree, Notice the word "AFTER" them that see the Abomination of Desolate. This event according the Words of Jesus, will happen after 3.5 years of Daniel's 70th week has passed.

tailgator said:
That would be the same abomination of desolation John described in revelation 6 causing the earthquake and the sky departing from earth .

John saw the Seal Judgements in Rev. 6 (wars and rumors of wars), and not the Abomination of Desolate...This will be the 'son of perdition' (antichrist's body and mind taken over by Satan) stepping into the Holy of Holies and pronounce that He is GOD on High.

tailgator · Feb 14, 2025

Bladerunner said:
A fourth part or 1/4 of the earth as a whole will die. This may or may not be target at specific areas...We are not told......what we do know that 1/4 of the earth's population or 1.875 BILLION people will during this judgement.

and where is the fourth part of the earth is....??

OK, sounds like the whole world will have its share of death upon it.

Thanks

No,the whole world is not nuked by the United States armed forces.

The beast is destroyed though

Bladerunner · Feb 14, 2025

tailgator said:
According to Daniels prophecy,the great tribulation is found n Daniel 12:1.

Yes, I will agree that this scripture discloses what further happens to the people who see the abomination of Desolate take place in Rev 12. Daniel's 70th week is laid out in Daniel 9:27

tailgator · Feb 14, 2025

Bladerunner said:
Agree, Notice the word "AFTER" them that see the Abomination of Desolate. This event according the Words of Jesus, will happen after 3.5 years of Daniel's 70th week has passed.

John saw the Seal Judgements in Rev. 6 (wars and rumors of wars), and not the Abomination of Desolate...This will be the 'son of perdition' (antichrist's body and mind taken over by Satan) stepping into the Holy of Holies and pronounce that He is GOD on High.

Actually ,it's the king of the norths armed forces that set up the abomination that causes Jerusalem's desolation.Daniel was very clear that the armed forces do it .

This is what happens to the people in Jerusalem when they put it there.

Zech 14
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

tailgator · Feb 14, 2025

Bladerunner said:
Yes, I will agree that this scripture discloses what further happens to the people who see the abomination of Desolate take place in Rev 12. Daniel's 70th week is laid out in Daniel 9:27

Daniel 12:1-2 is talking about the dead coming to life.

Bladerunner · Feb 14, 2025

tailgator said:
No,the whole world is not nuked by the United States armed forces.

the USA is not the only one with Nukes and their nukes will bring as much death those of the USA.

tailgator said:
The beast is destroyed though

The Beast is the Antichrist (Man of sin), the Dragon is Satan. The beast will live on until
3.5 years into Daniel's 70th week at which time it appears He will receive a Head and arm wound. He will raised (or appear to be dead) up by Satan and his body taken over thus the 'son of perdition'.

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