OSAS : Gnostic Heresy
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Hobie
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mailmandan
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Satan loves it when OSAS is misused to promote a license for immortality. On the flip side, Satan loves it when NOSAS is misused to promote salvation by works at the back door. The pendulum is capable of swinging too far in either direction.
Taken
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:Rolleyes:
Satan loves it when a man IS Forever Saved?
I rather believe God loves it when a man IS Forever Saved.
Glory to God,
Taken
Behold
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It was unbelieving Jews who first accused Paul of teaching what we now define as "eternal security".
2000 yrs later, its deceived Heretics who do it.........and most are gentiles.
Behold
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Let me show the real Christian how to get out of a deception that you've been taught that is related to this phrase "OSAS".
Think of it like this..
"once Born again........always born again".........
See that?
That is a eternal fact., and that is why eternal security is the same thing.....
God bless you to understand it.
Think of it like this..
"once Born again........always born again".........
See that?
That is a eternal fact., and that is why eternal security is the same thing.....
God bless you to understand it.
Taken
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OSAS : Gnostic Heresy
No.
Debating “when” men began to Understand Salvation is a wash.
It’s been 2,000 + years since a NEW Better Testament For Salvation was Offered manKind…and even IN these current days, men Still Fail to Understand Salvation.
Salvation IS the Restoration of the SOUL, to the “good” Acceptable “condition” as it was WHEN God imparted a Soul in manKind.
Pss 23:3.
A soul IN a man, CAN NOT be Made “Restored / Saved” Until a “satisfactory” Bodily Death HAS Occurred.
1 Cor 15:36
God HAS and WILL save souls of men WHO physically Bodily Die in true (ie Heartful) Belief in the Lord God.
God Shall raise up their New Body during the First Resurrection.
A new Better Testament was Offered mankind ( 2,000 + years ago from God Via the Son of God)
Heb 7:22
This New Better-testament Offering is For a man to Receive Soul Salvation…BEFORE a physical Bodily Death,
(with their physical dead body Pledged to the Lord Jesus, that He shall raise Up their New Body, during the Rapture of Christs Church.)
Their Body is Crucified with Jesus’ Body, “acceptably” accounted Dead ( yet remains living )THUS has Satisfied the ONE requirement that;
All body’s Must Die.
Gen 9:5
And All Bodys Must Die, Before their Soul CAN be Saved.
1 Cor 15:36
Jesus (mans Example) gave His Body Once unto Death.
A Living man WHO HAS “received” Salvation of his SOUL gave his Body Once unto Death, and Once “Received” his gift of Salvation…. Is called…IN Christ and the Spirit of God IN that man.
1 Thes 4:16-17
That man, henceforth LIVES IN Jesus’ Risen Body. (Until his own body is Risen, Renewed, called Up by the Lord, called the Rapture.)
Gal. 2:20
Once Saved Always Saved is not False.
God / Christ Jesus DONOT Foolishly Saved a Mans Soul…and then go “oh gee”, who knew that man would change his mind and stop believing”!!!
Uh no…
The Lord God IS all knowing!
The Lord God does NOT SEEK out a Mans MINDS Thoughts as A means of That mans Testimony of Belief( it is rather a mans Hearts thoughts accepted when Testifying to the Lird God of that mans Belief).
Can “a” man Lost “his” Salvation?
Absolutely!
How? By Not Taking, Accepting “his” Salvation.
Why is it called “his” (the mans) Salvation?
Because THAT GIFT was Bought and Paid For by, The Giving of Jesus’ Body…And henceforth Offered to Every man….to Freely Take the gift bought, paid for for them….or Not.
Duh…Reject the Gift…uh that man thus Does Not Have, Possess the Gift…and?
If that man rejects “his” gift….The Lord God DOES NOT Force His Gift on any man who freely chose to Reject taking His Gift Offering.
Snooze, don’t take ya loose.
OSAS is Scriptural teaching.
Being slow to Understand it does Not Change the Facts and true Understanding.
Glory to God,
Taken
Quoting an OSAS member of this forum:
"Salvation is a gift ....” God's Gifts are without recall”
If I died when I didn’t believe I would have gone to Heaven because there was One Time That I DID Believe.....that’s all it takes...."
"Salvation is a gift ....” God's Gifts are without recall”
If I died when I didn’t believe I would have gone to Heaven because there was One Time That I DID Believe.....that’s all it takes...."
Taken
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No.
Heartful Belief at the TIME of Death is the Paramount Fixed Standard.
Absolutely God “GIVING” His Gift of Salvation is Without Recall.
Well then I can't lose if I'm wrong. Can't say the same for OSASers tho.
Luke 13:23-24
23 Then one said to Him, "Lord, are there few who are saved?" And He said to them,
24 "Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
Taken
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You have a scenario of believing, and then not believing and receiving Salvation without Bellief…
Do you not understand “ what God is all knowing Means? “
That “belief blip” does not fool God! He already knows who will believe and who will not.
It is MEN who decide and choose and then know, during their Lifetime.
Uh huh.
Yes I know, OSASers always accuse non OSASers who depart from the Faith of never being saved. That's total baloney!
Deuteronomy 32:5 denies this.
Also, Matthew 18, which shows the forgiveness that has already had its effect can also be rescinded so that its effect is reversed, so that the one who had previously received forgiveness now has to pay for his sins just as any other unbeliever.
Taken
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So is it your position God is fooled, Giving His Gift of Salvation to men, who will Once Again Stand Against God ?
Behold
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No one in Deut 32:5 is born again.
There are no "Christians" in the Old Testament.....
What deranged CULT has led you to believe, differently.. @GracePeace ???
You should leave this cult, and never look back.
Also, no Christian "pays for sin"......
Why not?
See THE CROSS for the final answer, @GracePeace .
Now, if a Christian behaves badly, consequences follow, as "reaping what you've sown" is a fact..
Irrelevant : the things that happened to them happened to them to teach us about how God relates to His people. If not, then reprimand Paul for starting a "cult", since he taught about how God relates to His people in the NT using OT (1 Corinthians 10).
The unforgiving servant (Mt 18) "unbecame" a Christian--God "forgot" his righteousness, as Ezekiel 18:24 says, except, in this case (in the NT), "faith is counted as righteousness", so his faith was forgotten, so it became that he was always an unbeliever--so I wasn't saying a "Christian" pays for his sins.
Ro 2 warns the Jewish believers they will reap "wrath", not "eternal life", for their sins. Ro 8:12,13 says Christians who live after the flesh, not after the spirit, will die and not live--sin leads to death (Ro 5, 6).
Taken
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Sure.
How and How many times, can an individual enter, exit and possibly reenter…
by being saved, being unsaved and then saved again seems to be the dispute against OSAS.
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