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Do you get bible interpretation from NASA scientists? Luke 21:34-35 has nothing to the sun-sourching theory of yours.
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Do you get bible interpretation from NASA scientists? Luke 21:34-35 has nothing to the sun-sourching theory of yours.
What translation are you copying and pasting from, Jay ?
From the kjv...
7 And he said unto him, I am the LORD that brought thee out of Ur of the Chaldees, to give thee this land to inherit it.
...and if you read further down in the text of Genesis 15....
18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
Keraz, in Ezekiel 40-46 temple, it will be the tribes of Israel (the descendants of Zadok and the Levite tribe priests) that will perform the historic reenactment of how the Jews were supposed have conducted the temple ordinances.
In the 70th week temple, the daily sacrifice that the Antichrist will stop will be by Jews, not Christians.
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There is no daily sacrifice and hasn't been forever. Daniel was written at a time when a daily sacrifice was done, and it was prophesied to stop by this Ac type figure but the covenant was ended so this is another OT prophecy that was tossed away with that covenant. Look to NT prophecy if you want to know what's coming.
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I sit here shaking my head as I read your miserable understanding and subsequent interpretation of the Prophecies quoted.
These are nevertheless your understanding and not that of a paradigm which emanates from knowing Jesus.
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Proved wrong by Isaiah 66:21...I shall make some of them. [The Christian peoples] to be My Priests and Levites.....
Also Revelation 5:9-10
The few surviving Jews, will have no part to play in the new Temple. Ezekiel 16:63
Anyone interested in the English translation of Francisco Ribera’s Commentary on the Apocalypse of St. John?
Using the NKJV as the basis and correcting any translation error in the text.
In verse 7 above the error is in the translation of hā·’ā·reṣ which is the same as found in Genesis 1:1 which is translated as "earth" but in Genesis 15:7 it is translated as "land."
"hā·’ā·reṣ" in Genesis 1-11 is translated as "Earth," but from Genesis 12:1 onwards it is translated as "earth" or "land" depending on the context that the translators wanted to present in the scriptures.
Now in Genesis 15:18 which you quoted above when considering the actual Hebrew text,
would translate, where the Hebrew word ’eṯ- which has not been translated and has the meaning of "entity" is inserted into the English translation as this: -
Gen 15:18: - 18 On the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying:
"To your descendants I have given this {entity portion of the} earth, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates —
"To your descendants I have given this {entity portion of the} earth, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates —
which presents a very different context to the translated context.
We really need to look much more closely to the Hebrew text and the manner it is translated than the manner the translators used in their translation.
Douggg, your ignorance of this has led you into grave error.
Goodbye
quietthinker
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Ahhh yes.....I know this man. A smooth operator who who cobbled scripture to exonerate Rome and take the obvious heat off
tailgator
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I'm not trying to make sense out of what I posted.I made sense of it long long ago
In fact I quoted the scripture concerning the people of Christ(Israel) coming up out of their graves after their graves are opened .
In both revelation 20 and Ezekiel 37 ,Israel is resurected before Gog comes against them in Ezekiel 38 and revelation 20.
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Sure… The English translation is complete, does anyone have any contacts with a traditional publisher?
tailgator
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Are you going to correct your error or are you purposely attempting to decieve people into believing your word is the word of God?
This is the correct quote from scripture.
The word recently which you added does not belong in this verse.
Ezekiel 38:8
After many days you will be called to arms. In future years you will invade a land that has recovered from war, whose people were gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate. They had been brought out from the nations, and now all of them live in safety.
tailgator
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There are probably 20 English translations.
I enjoy reading many of them and comparing.I also enjoy looking up Hebrew and Greek words and their meaning myself.
The Internet has made studying the bible very quick and easy.
tailgator
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Try again at how many English interpretations there are?
Like I said.Ive seen at least 20
Perhaps you should give it a try .
I'm not very interested in the publisher.My contact is with the author.
The little horn person of Daniel 8 stops the daily sacrifice that will be taking place at the time of the end. It is not referring to Antiochus IV.
quietthinker
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The problem with deception is not a lack of information but how you decode that information.
Jay, the text is indicating the descendants of Abraham will inherit a portion of the earth from from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates. Not the entire earth.
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Daniel 8 is not talking about a person here. You are reading everything carnal. By the word of God, that's how. But in order to hear, one must listen. And in order to listen to hear, one must have the Spirit of God unto humility of a contrite heart.
Dan 8:9-12
(9) And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.
(10) And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.
(11) Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
(12) And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.
Should one remain in this house ruled by the adversary and the enemy that has entered into its gates? The man of lawlessness says Yes! Because he is that removes the daily/Continual sacrifice by reason of lawlessness/transgressions? Behold the mystery revealed. The little horn is a short season of power that was given to Satan to bring the New Testament congregation down.
2nd Thessalonians 2:3-5
- "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
- Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
- Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?"
And so comparing scripture with scripture, we should not be too surprised about the heaven and stars in Revelation being symbolic also. Even in the context of Revelation 9:1. A star here and there is the Messenger of God's congregation. Same as the horn which signifies power. Not your "little horn person" LOL.
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The usual thread diversions here.
But regarding who are the descendants of Abraham, the children of Jacob: Galatians 3:26-29, makes it perfectly clear;- they are all the Christian peoples.
My people were like lost sheep:
Jeremiah 46:27-28 But Jacob, My servant Israel, do not be afraid, from afar I shall bring you back safe and your children from the lands where they are captives. Jacob will be at rest once more, secure and untroubled.
Do not be afraid, Jacob, My servant, for I am with you. I shall make an end of all the nations amongst whom I have dispersed you; but of you I will not make an end. I shall discipline you as you deserve – not wholly unpunished.
Jeremiah 48:2 Moab is no more, in Heshbon, they plot her downfall. Also you will be cut down O Madman, the sword will pursue you.
In Hebrew, madman can be translated as Mahomet – very significant. The rest of chapter 48 is judgement on Moab and Ammon – seems to be historical, but modern Jordanian Arab Muslim peoples inhabit those areas today.] v6 Yet after this, I will restore the fortunes of Moab & Ammon
Jeremiah 49:7-22 the destruction of Edom. You will not escape punishment, for by My life, says the Lord, Bozrah will become a desolation forever. Edom will be an object of horror. No one will live there again. Look; an eagle with outspread wings will swoop down against Bozrah. On that Day, Edom’s warriors will lose heart for battle. Isaiah 63:1-6
Jeremiah 49:23 The destruction of Damascus [Syria] v22 I shall kindle a fire in Damascus. Isaiah 17:1
Jeremiah 49:28 Come, attack Kedar and Hazor [Arabia] They will become a haunt of jackals, desolate forever and no one will live there.
Jeremiah 49:34-39 The word of the Lord concerning Elam [Iran] I shall break the bow of Elam, the chief weapon of their might. [nuclear weapons] I will vent My fierce anger on them in disaster, until I make an end to them. Yet in days to come, I shall restore the fortunes of Elam. Psalms 11:4-6, Habakkuk 3:12
Jeremiah 50:1 The word of the Lord about Babylon, land of the Chaldeans [Iraq] you will be a desolate wasteland, all men and beasts have fled and gone.
Jeremiah 50:4-7 In those days and at that time, the people of Israel and Judah will come together and in tears, go in search of the Lord their God. They will go to Zion, saying: “Come let us join ourselves to the Lord in an everlasting covenant.” My people were like lost sheep, wandering far from their sheepfold. [this must be before the Return of Jesus] Their enemies devoured them without guilt, because they had sinned against the Lord.
Jeremiah 50:14 Marshal your forces and encircle Babylon, you whose bows are ready strung, shoot at her – spare not your arrows.
Jeremiah 50:17-18 Israel is a scattered flock, chased by lions, first by Assyria, then Babylon chewed their bones. Therefore, I shall punish Babylon as I did Assyria. [in these end times, Babylon and Assyria is an allegory for all the heathen nations]
Jeremiah 50:19-20 But I shall bring Israel back to his own pasture, on Ephraim’s hills and in Gilead, he will eat his fill. In those days, says the Lord, when that time comes, a search will be made for Israel’s guilt, but there will be none, for those whom I leave as a remnant, I shall pardon.
The name of Israel is used by the ancient Prophets, but now after the Advent of Jesus, we know that salvation is available to everyone, John 3:16, and it will be people from every tribe, race, nation and language, that will inherit all of the holy Land. Revelation 5:9-10, John sees them in the holy Land: Revelation 7:9
Reference: REB, NIV, KJV some verses abridged
But regarding who are the descendants of Abraham, the children of Jacob: Galatians 3:26-29, makes it perfectly clear;- they are all the Christian peoples.
My people were like lost sheep:
Jeremiah 46:27-28 But Jacob, My servant Israel, do not be afraid, from afar I shall bring you back safe and your children from the lands where they are captives. Jacob will be at rest once more, secure and untroubled.
Do not be afraid, Jacob, My servant, for I am with you. I shall make an end of all the nations amongst whom I have dispersed you; but of you I will not make an end. I shall discipline you as you deserve – not wholly unpunished.
Jeremiah 48:2 Moab is no more, in Heshbon, they plot her downfall. Also you will be cut down O Madman, the sword will pursue you.
In Hebrew, madman can be translated as Mahomet – very significant. The rest of chapter 48 is judgement on Moab and Ammon – seems to be historical, but modern Jordanian Arab Muslim peoples inhabit those areas today.] v6 Yet after this, I will restore the fortunes of Moab & Ammon
Jeremiah 49:7-22 the destruction of Edom. You will not escape punishment, for by My life, says the Lord, Bozrah will become a desolation forever. Edom will be an object of horror. No one will live there again. Look; an eagle with outspread wings will swoop down against Bozrah. On that Day, Edom’s warriors will lose heart for battle. Isaiah 63:1-6
Jeremiah 49:23 The destruction of Damascus [Syria] v22 I shall kindle a fire in Damascus. Isaiah 17:1
Jeremiah 49:28 Come, attack Kedar and Hazor [Arabia] They will become a haunt of jackals, desolate forever and no one will live there.
Jeremiah 49:34-39 The word of the Lord concerning Elam [Iran] I shall break the bow of Elam, the chief weapon of their might. [nuclear weapons] I will vent My fierce anger on them in disaster, until I make an end to them. Yet in days to come, I shall restore the fortunes of Elam. Psalms 11:4-6, Habakkuk 3:12
Jeremiah 50:1 The word of the Lord about Babylon, land of the Chaldeans [Iraq] you will be a desolate wasteland, all men and beasts have fled and gone.
Jeremiah 50:4-7 In those days and at that time, the people of Israel and Judah will come together and in tears, go in search of the Lord their God. They will go to Zion, saying: “Come let us join ourselves to the Lord in an everlasting covenant.” My people were like lost sheep, wandering far from their sheepfold. [this must be before the Return of Jesus] Their enemies devoured them without guilt, because they had sinned against the Lord.
Jeremiah 50:14 Marshal your forces and encircle Babylon, you whose bows are ready strung, shoot at her – spare not your arrows.
Jeremiah 50:17-18 Israel is a scattered flock, chased by lions, first by Assyria, then Babylon chewed their bones. Therefore, I shall punish Babylon as I did Assyria. [in these end times, Babylon and Assyria is an allegory for all the heathen nations]
Jeremiah 50:19-20 But I shall bring Israel back to his own pasture, on Ephraim’s hills and in Gilead, he will eat his fill. In those days, says the Lord, when that time comes, a search will be made for Israel’s guilt, but there will be none, for those whom I leave as a remnant, I shall pardon.
The name of Israel is used by the ancient Prophets, but now after the Advent of Jesus, we know that salvation is available to everyone, John 3:16, and it will be people from every tribe, race, nation and language, that will inherit all of the holy Land. Revelation 5:9-10, John sees them in the holy Land: Revelation 7:9
Reference: REB, NIV, KJV some verses abridged
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