The Great Second Exodus

[Jay Ross]

Jay, the text is indicating the descendants of Abraham will inherit a portion of the earth from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates. Not the entire earth.

Douggg, it seems that you are reading the scriptures to suit yourself.

Genesis 15: 17-21 is a solemn sign covenant to confirm that when Ireal realises, they have possession over the prescribed land of Genesis 15:17-21, that those of Israel will know that they will inherit the whole earth after the final judgement.

During the time of King David, Israel gained dominion over the prescribed area of land, which was then lost after the death of King Solomon after which they only retained possession of the Land of Canaan.

Your diagrams also confirm your lack of understanding as well.

Goodbye

 

[tailgator]

Douggg, it seems that you are reading the scriptures to suit yourself.

Genesis 15: 17-21 is a solemn sign covenant to confirm that when Ireal realises, they have possession over the prescribed land of Genesis 15:17-21, that those of Israel will know that they will inherit the whole earth after the final judgement.

During the time of King David, Israel gained dominion over the prescribed area of land, which was then lost after the death of King Solomon after which they only retained possession of the Land of Canaan.

Your diagrams also confirm your lack of understanding as well.

Goodbye

Israel inherits the land from the Euphrates river to the Nile after they are resurected
They spend 1000 years in their kingdom after the coming of Christ when the devil is released from his prison and decieves the nations outside of the land between the two rivers to gather them against resurected saints of Israel.
There are no nations between the two rivers that are gathered against Israel after the 1000 years is fulfilled.

 

[Douggg]

Genesis 15: 17-21 is a solemn sign covenant to confirm that when Ireal realises, they have possession over the prescribed land of Genesis 15:17-21, that those of Israel will know that they will inherit the whole earth after the final judgement.

Jay, it does not say anything in those verses about Israel inheriting the whole earth.

Also, what final judgement are you reading in those verses ?

Jay, do you want to know who Jesus said would inherit the earth?

Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

 

[Jay Ross]

Jay, it does not say anything in those verses about Israel inheriting the whole earth.

What about Gen 15:7?

Also, what final judgement are you reading in those verses ?

Douggg, we need to consider the whole of what the scriptures tells us, not just a few verses which have been made the focus of our discussion.

Jay, do you want to know who Jesus said would inherit the earth?

And you are an expert on this? How can you be an expert on this when you lack real understanding on the Book of Revelation.

Goodbye

 

[ewq1938]

The little horn person of Daniel 8 stops the daily sacrifice that will be taking place at the time of the end. It is not referring to Antiochus IV.

None of it will happen. It's gone with the old covenant. Look to the NT to find current prophecy.

 

[tailgator]

None of it will happen. It's gone with the old covenant. Look to the NT to find current prophecy.

I wouldn't be surprised if the daily sacrifice was abolished this year .But I doubt many people will understand it when it happens.Look.for the king of the north to give the little horn a host this year.
It will practice the authority of the little horn on its behalf.

Revelation 13
It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed.

 

[Keraz]

None of it will happen. It's gone with the old covenant. Look to the NT to find current prophecy.

Of all the ridiculous and anti-Bible statements I have seen, this one tops them all.
Jesus said - When you see the abomination of desolation, of which Daniel spoke...... Matthew 24:15 This has not yet happened; as per Daniel 9.

 

[Keraz]

I wouldn't be surprised if the daily sacrifice was abolished this year

As there is no new Temple, there is no daily sacrifice yet.
What is needed is for God to take action against all the ungodly and bad peoples in the Middle East. As He says He will; Zephaniah 1:14-18, 2:4-6, 3:8 Wait for the Day!

 

[ewq1938]

Of all the ridiculous and anti-Bible statements I have seen, this one tops them all.
Jesus said - When you see the abomination of desolation, of which Daniel spoke...... Matthew 24:15 This has not yet happened; as per Daniel 9.

Christ said that while the first covenant was still in effect. Things changed once he died on the cross. Some OT prophecies remain valid like that one mentioned before the cross but lots of other ones contradict NT prophecy so those will not be fulfilled because they have been replaced.

 

[tailgator]

As there is no new Temple, there is no daily sacrifice yet.
What is needed is for God to take action against all the ungodly and bad peoples in the Middle East. As He says He will; Zephaniah 1:14-18, 2:4-6, 3:8 Wait for the Day!

Actually,there is a temple,but you obviously are not in it.

There are also daily sacrifices which you obviously do not make.

 

[tailgator]

As there is no new Temple, there is no daily sacrifice yet.
What is needed is for God to take action against all the ungodly and bad peoples in the Middle East. As He says He will; Zephaniah 1:14-18, 2:4-6, 3:8 Wait for the Day!

God does not take action against the people in Israel on the day of the Lord after making sacrifices to him.The sacrifices they make are to Moloch ,their king which they have chosen.

Amos 5
25 Have ye offered unto me sacrifices and offerings in the wilderness forty years, O house of Israel?

26 But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves.

27 Therefore will I cause you to go into captivity beyond Damascus, saith the Lord, whose name is The God of hosts.


Not that you could understand any of this that takes place on the day of the Lord.Who Israelis worship or who they make sacrifices to.You don't understand any of it.

 

[Keraz]

.You don't understand any of it.

Your 2 posts above are simply opiniated rants, bereft of any scriptural support.
The end times events will be a big surprise to you.

 

[Keraz]

Ezekiel 11:17-20 I shall gather you; My righteous people from among the nations and give the Land of Israel to them. I will give them a new spirit so that they will conform to My statutes and keep My Laws. They will be My people and I will be their God.
Although some of the House of Judah has returned to a portion of the Promised Land, they have not fulfilled God’s plans for His people. That is; to be a light to the nations, His faithful Christian people in the world, preaching the coming Kingdom of Jesus. The Jewish people are not destined to build the third Temple, this awaits the gathering of the Lord’s righteous people. Isaiah 62:1-5, Zechariah 6:15

Many prophecies speak of the final judgement of Judah: Ezekiel 21:14...swing the sword of slaughter three times... First: Babylon, second: Rome, third still to come. This is the result of Matthew 27:25 and the fulfilment of Luke 19:27, Jeremiah 17:1-4

Matthew 21:40-43 The Owner of the vineyard will come and deal with the bad tenants, He will bring those criminals to justice. Jesus quoted: The stone that the builders [the Jews] rejected, has become the main corner stone. [Jesus] Therefore, I tell you, the Kingdom of God will be taken away from you [Judah] and given to a nation that bears the proper fruit. Amos 2:4-5, Jeremiah 13:19, Isaiah 3:8-9, Zephaniah 1:4-6, Psalm 118:22-24

We who have been brought up on New Testament precepts of “love your neighbour” and peace and goodwill toward all, have some difficulty with verses such as;
Nahum 1:2 The Lord is a God of vengeance, He will punish His enemies.
Deuteronomy 32:41-43 When I set My hand to judgement, My sword will devour flesh, I will punish all those who hate Me and will cleanse My peoples land. Luke 19:27

Luke 3:16-17 ..He will baptize with the Holy spirit and with fire. His winnowing fork in His hand, He will gather the good grain into the store, but the chaff will burn forever. Isaiah 33:10-12
The Lord is the potter, it is His creation, His aim is to have a people who freely choose to love and serve Him. Isaiah 29:16, Romans 9:22-23

Over seventy prophecies tell of a forthcoming judgement of fire and the only literal explanation for Isaiah 30:26, Isaiah 13:13, Malachi 4:1, is a Coronal Mass Ejection – a sunstrike that will particularly affect the Middle East. Zephaniah 2:4-6, Amos 1
It will be a seemingly natural event that maintains His hiddenness to the world, but it will clear and cleanse all of that area promised to Abraham and His people will know that it is the Lord who helps and guides them. Ezekiel 34:27-30, Isaiah 49:8-12, Psalms 107

Zechariah 10:7-12 The Ephraimites, [the leaders of God’s people. Genesis 48:19] will be as warriors rejoicing in their God. I will whistle to call them in, for I will deliver them from among the nations where I dispersed them. they will return to their own Land, as many people as there was before. Those godless peoples will be brought low, but Israel’s strength will be in their God, they will march proudly in His name. Ref: REB, verses abridged

All the Lord’s people, Christians who believe in Him and keep His Commandments, will enter the new country of Beulah, Isaiah 62:4, after this terrible worldwide judgement of fire. Revelation 7:9 They will join up with the Jewish remnant that will survive in Jerusalem. Zechariah 13:8-9, Isaiah 4:3 Those citizens of Beulah will receive the great blessings as promised to the Lord’s people and will live in the Land in peace and security until the time of the Anti Christ. For 3½ years, they will go and live in a place of safety, Revelation 12:14, referred to as Bozrah; [Hebrew = glad tidings] the sheepfold, then to go back at the Return of Jesus for His Millennial reign. Matthew 24:31

 

[tailgator]

Your 2 posts above are simply opiniated rants, bereft of any scriptural support.
The end times events will be a big surprise to you.

No,Amos 5 is not a rant.
It is the word of God concerning Israel and the beast in end times.The Jews are cast out on the day of the Lord just as Amos says.
It's no surprise at all.


Your rant that the Jews build the temple of God is not biblical.Christ builds the temple of God .The temple you say does not exist.That says much about you Keras.

 

[Keraz]

the Jews build the temple of God is not biblical.Christ builds the temple of God .

Zechariah 6:15 Men from far away will come to build the Temple.......
They will be the faithful Christian peoples, all present in the holy Land. Ezekiel 40 to 46 gives us the details of construction and operation.

 

[ScottA]

The gathering of all the Jews into the land of Israel is the Matthew 24:31 verse. That verse fulfills the Deuteronomy 30:1-6 promise that God made to gather the children of Israel out of the nations where they had been scattered.

Compare the figurative language in verse 4 with the Matthew 24:31 language. I highlighted/bolded both in red.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
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1 And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee,

2 And shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul;

3 That then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee.

4 If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:

5 And the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.

6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

You are close here, you wrote it out but didn't come out and state what it means: That the passage(s) are not speaking of a gathering of Israel in the world--but "of heaven."

 

[ScottA]

In over forty Bible passages, it is prophesied that the Lord will gather His people: all righteous believers, and settle them into the holy Land. Isaiah 35:1-10, Psalms 107:1-43
In this second exodus, the descendants of Jacob, plus all those people grafted in and deemed to be the Lord’s people by their Christian faith, will come from all parts of the earth and assemble in a place called “the wilderness of the people”. Ezekiel 20:34-38 describes this event very well. Those judged unrighteous will not enter the Land.

The gathering of the Lord’s people into the Promised Land, must happen before Ezekiel 38:8 & 12– because the Northern army of Gog comes to invade “a land recently recovered from war, whose people are gathered from many nations, now living in peace and prosperity”. This attack by Gog, happens a few years after all the Lord’s true believers have settled into the Land – “in the very centre of the world – the towns restored from ruin”. And will be undefended, trusting in the Lord for His protection.
The attackers are annihilated by the Lord. Joel 2:20

This must occur some time before the Return of Jesus, as then He destroys the worldwide army of the Anti-Christ, who will have conquered the holy Land at the mid point of the final 7 years of this age. Daniel 7:25, Zechariah 14:1-2

Although Persia [Iran] is mentioned as a member of Gog’s host, most are from “the far recesses of the North”. The current enemies of the State of Israel, the Arab nations are not included. The reason for this, is that all the nations surrounding Israel, including Israel as well, will be devastated by the next prophesied event: Psalms 83:1-18, which is the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath, the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster.

The Lord will act at the moment His enemies make the mistake of attacking Israel with nuke missies. Zechariah 5:1-10, Deuteronomy 32:34-35, Psalms 7:15

This judgement will not be in the form of a nuclear exchange, as that would pollute the Land, but what fits the many prophesied descriptions of this Day, is a huge Coronal Mass Ejection from the sun. Isaiah 30:26 This will affect the entire world, but mostly, the Middle East area. Ezekiel 30:2-5
All of the holy Land will be burnt over and devastated, all the population killed or scattered abroad. Jeremiah 10:18

THEN: Ezekiel 36:8-12 You Land of Israel: put forth your branches and bear fruit, for the homecoming of My people is near. The towns will again be inhabited and the ruined places rebuilt, more prosperous and populous than in ancient times.
This great Second Exodus of the Lord’s people will then take place. There are many prophecies about it: Ezekiel 34:11-31…I will search for My sheep and gather them to the Land of Israel, from wherever they were scattered on My Day of wrath…. they will be the flock I feed and I will be their God.

Isaiah 66:18b-19 I am coming to gather peoples of every tongue, they will come to see My glory. I shall put a sign on them and some I will send out to the nations who have never heard of Me. They will proclaim My Gospel to all peoples.
“I shall put a sign on them and will send some out to the nations”, some of them; must be the 144,000, as described in Revelation 7:3-8 & 14:1-7, Isaiah 49:6

Luke 10:1-12 is a precursor of these missionaries, who will “proclaim My Gospel” to ALL the world. This is the Gospel of the coming Kingdom of God – the coming Millennium reign of Jesus. This makes these verses irrefutable proof that the second Exodus of all the Lord’s holy people, must happen some years before the Return of Jesus.

On the contrary, "the words are spirit", and do not speak of a worldly return of Israel to an earthly promise land, but are gathered "in heaven"--just as it says.

 

[Douggg]

You are close here, you wrote it out but didn't come out and state what it means: That the passage(s) are not speaking of a gathering of Israel in the world--but "of heaven."

In Matthew 24:31, what is in the text is not gathered "of heaven", but "from one end of heaven to the other". The elect will be the Jews living in the nations at the time.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

It is a figure of speech, just as "from the four winds" is a figure of speech for from all directions. It is simply saying from all the nations around the world.

Heaven, the sky in that verse meets the horizon on planet earth.

 

[ScottA]

In Matthew 24:31, what is in the text is not gathered "of heaven", but "from one end of heaven to the other". The elect will be the Jews living in the nations at the time.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

It is a figure of speech, just as "from the four winds" is a figure of speech for from all directions. It is simply saying from all the nations around the world.

Heaven, the sky in that verse meets the horizon on planet earth.

Yes, "a figure of speech"--and not of the Spirit, but of the teachings of men now for centuries.

 

[tailgator]

Zechariah 6:15 Men from far away will come to build the Temple.......
They will be the faithful Christian peoples, all present in the holy Land. Ezekiel 40 to 46 gives us the details of construction and operation.

Only them in Christ build the temple of the Lord.

Zech 6:12-15

12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the Lord of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The Branch; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the Lord:

13 Even he shall build the temple of the Lord; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

14 And the crowns shall be to Helem, and to Tobijah, and to Jedaiah, and to Hen the son of Zephaniah, for a memorial in the temple of the Lord.

15 And they that are far off shall come and build in the temple of the Lord, and ye shall know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me unto you. And this shall come to pass, if ye will diligently obey the voice of the Lord your God.



You seem to have an issue comprehending spiritual things.You believe in a carnal manmade stone temple .