I “ could “ and in fact, “will” say the same things about what you believe....whoopee.
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I “ could “ and in fact, “will” say the same things about what you believe....whoopee.
Actually ....”The proof of the pudding is in the tasting” is the proper quote ....I am the only one that gets this right....you should learn a lesson from that.....lol.....
Cut me some slack....i have already admitted that I am a computer Dotard...
I meant it....lol....
That was me speaking in tongues....almost as laughable as the phony example of speaking in tongues that you posted a few weeks ago .....your Debasement knows no limits....
Now you are saying that living like hell is the secret of a life that pleases God..
Sure, JBF, sure ....that is Exactly what I am trying to get across....your astuteness is mind- blowing...
Without a doubt, you are the most shallow man I have ever encountered....you are incapable of “ getting” anything that requires even an ounce of Spiritual Insight....I could break this down and explain it to you but I’m tired of trying to talk “meat” to a baby that can NEVER get past the milk in his bottle.....I am looking for Special, Uncommon men, and you ain’t one nor will you ever be one....I wish you would stay in yourSpiritual play- pen and leave us meat- eating adults alone....( not really, you are too valuable as a Springboard to get rid of....) you help in ways you do not understand....I should be thanking you....but I won’t.....
Sure, JBF, sure ....that is Exactly what I am trying to get across....your astuteness is mind- blowing...
Without a doubt, you are the most shallow man I have ever encountered....you are incapable of “ getting” anything that requires even an ounce of Spiritual Insight....I could break this down and explain it to you but I’m tired of trying to talk “meat” to a baby that can NEVER get past the milk in his bottle.....I am looking for Special, Uncommon men, and you ain’t one nor will you ever be one....I wish you would stay in yourSpiritual play- pen and leave us meat- eating adults alone....( not really, you are too valuable as a Springboard to get rid of....) you help in ways you do not understand....I should be thanking you....but I won’t.....
I see you have taken a double dose of your sarcasm pills this morning... LOL
Behold
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Jesus, when talking to Nicodemus.... is making the simple and obvious distinction between being born, and being born again.
You can't understand this simple distinction, because your cult has trained you to be spiritually blind.
See, this explains why you worship mary, and consider a religious man to be "father", when the NT says to "call no one on earth father".
And this blindness that your cult has trained you to be, explains why you believe the lie that Mary flew to heaven, and is a "perpetual virgin".
Your cult has so trained you to accept lies in place of truth, that truth to you, seems like a lie.
That's what you've become, einstein.
Behold
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Behold
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I've not used the phrase OSAS, so, im not sure of what you are trying to prove.
What i teach is that if you are born on earth, of your mother, then your "believing" or not, can't change being born.
So, its a foolish fool, a religious fool, who will not also believe that being born again, this BIRTH, can't be changed or removed, or undone, by behavior or thinking.
Behold
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A lot of people , who are religious, and believe that they have more power to stop their salvation, then Jesus's Blood has the eternal power to maintain it......people like you..... are not going to be able to understand Grace.
See, self righteousness blinds you to Truth.
You prove this with every post.
Ferris Bueller
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We're not talking about being unfaithful. We're talking about the verse before that.....disowning Him....
If we disown him, he will also disown us 2 Timothy 2:12
Don't you know the difference between being unfaithful to Jesus and denying him outright?
Ferris Bueller
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Look at your own words...'Believe in Jesus', 'Believers'. These verses apply to people who believe in Jesus. Believers who have denied Christ do not believe in Jesus. They are unbelievers. Jesus is not talking to them. Those verses don't apply to them.
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Taken
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So?
No one is Excluded by Gods Word, to Hear Gods Word.
Become Changed, "acceptable to God"(according to Gods Word) that He may Change you, and KEEP you, and Seal you, Perfect you and Claim you unto His own For ever.
Ferris Bueller
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Our "pitiful understanding" is not where the teaching that you must continue to believe in order to be saved comes from. It comes right from the word of God. In fact, it's right in the 'Jesus + nothing' gospel part of the Bible you like to refer works salvationists to so often.....
...brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. 1 Corinthians 15:1-2
Even osas says this verse means that you aren't saved if you don't continue to believe to the very end! Didn't you know this?
Taken
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God Proclaims it, I Agree.
Jesus came to Earth in the LIKENESS AS A MAN, to teach, by Gods Word, to show, by Example...and reveal....EVERY earthly man, WHO...acceptes HIS OFFERING to BECOME,
Forgiven, restored, Save, Quickened...
BECOME "MADE" IN HIS LIKENESS...
Born of God...Free from Sin...and NEVER AGAIN can SIN AGAINST GOD.
Did you Claim, Take, Receive, the GIfts the Lord OFFERED? Forgiveness, Mercy, Grace, Righteousness, Soul Salvation, Spirit Quickening, His Seed, HIS SPIRIT, His "sonship", give your body unto death?
Why would you then NOT ALSO "acknowledge" His Power within you, TO KEEP YOU IN BELIEF, IN FAITH, FREE FROM EVER AGAIN SINNING AGAINST HIM?
Do you think, God bestows all such wonderful Gifts and MAKES a man "changed"....but God skipped the most IMPORTANT thing...
And oops.....BIRTH from HIS SEED....SINNERS?
1 John 3:
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
Ferris Bueller
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Don't you know that eating the meat of the word does not mean you have a superior more correct knowledge of the gospel? It means you're feeding on and living out the greater truths of God of actually living for Him in obedience in a mature distinguishing of good from evil.
milk - the elementary facts and truths of the Bible
meat - knowledge of right living and actually putting that knowledge into practice
Babies feed on the elementary knowledge of the Bible, "repentance from acts that lead to death, and of faith in God, instruction about cleansing rites, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment" (Hebrews 6:1-2). This is where most Christians are at it seems, arguing endlessly about these baby milk knowledge things as if that's what it means to be mature (been there, done that). And that's fine for babies. But mature adults live on the meat knowledge of the word......how to live for God in righteousness in a mature distinguishing of good from evil.
By the very Biblical definition of these things we see that it is the person who knows the truth about the 'Jesus + nothing' gospel but who does not live for him that is the baby sucking on the milk of the word. Superior knowledge about the 'Jesus + nothing' gospel does not make you the mature adult in the faith. Actually living for him does. The Christian who 'lives like hell' is actually the baby who is still sucking on the milk and not eating the meat.
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Taken
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Yes, what you have heard from the beginning...remain in you.
When you were in your beginning stage...
And you first heard about God...Did you say, oh...I believe?
A beginning stage is an introduction.
We mimic...Open a book, first page, "INTRODUCTION", brief on what to expect to learn more about. And with diligence of Learning ABOUT, gaining Knowledge...
Your mind is...oh interesting, uh dumb, oh nice, uh doubt it, humm maybe, uh deny...
Keep learning...
Or
Close the book and stop listening.
That occurs for every new topic, including learning ABOUT God.
The Disciples, listened, heard, believed, doubted, followed, wondered, denied, listened some more, and more, and believed, and confessed belief....
Except for Judas....Judas is likened to closing his ears, shutting the book, had enough, rejected....and so also did people in the crowds as Jesus preached....
THEY got the introduction...that sparked their interest.
THEY heard a bit....heard something their MIND could not believe....and QUIT....being ignorant...that it was NOT THEIR LOGICAL CARNAL MIND that was being preached to....
BUT Rather their heart and soul.
The Disciples...primary teachers after Jesus...
Think about it....Disciples 3 years DAILY with Jesus...(Compare to men today, maybe 1 hour a week)...
Not doubting the great amount of time the Disciples spent with Jesus, Heard from Jesus, Learned from Jesus.....really so much, it could not all be written.
Now these men, go out preaching, spreading the Word of God....traveling, (some writing letters).... but think about it...
The LISTENERS (crowds)... Really HOW MUCH DID "THEY" hear?
A couple of hours?
A couple of times?
All new information they had not before heard?
Pretty overwhelming. Men they do not know, come to their town, Speak things, about a man they do not know, Speaking of His perfection, His miracles, His promises....
Pretty wild.
Yes...every encounter, visit, letter, the TEACHERS, IN Christ, absolutely reminded, to KEEP all things they DID Learn, IN rememberence, hold on to it, AND teach others to do the same.
Just as us...Remember the OT men, their doings, without knowing all details, like is afforded us now...
And TODAY, men all talking about the ENDING of days....but pretty much ignoring, the ORDER and WAY of the beginning, that brought us to our generation.
Encouraging men who ONLY heard the "introduction"...and walked away in disbelief...
OPEN the book, with patience, follow the order and way, for YOUR OWN KNOWLEDGE, not just skip to end, and expect to understand.
Glory to God,
Taken
Ferris Bueller
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And so you should know that the proof is in the actual product, not in what someone claims about the product. That's how it is with salvation. You can claim all day long that you are the real thing, but how you actually are is what proves if you are the real thing. That's why the Bible tells us assurance that we are really saved comes from how we actually are, not from what we say we are.
Michiah-Imla
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What else in scripture can be described as “exaggeration”?
John 8:11
...And Jesus said, ...Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
Is this what you think God does? Exaggerate and use “hyperbole”?
No:
Psalm 33:4
For the word of the Lord is right; and all his works are done in truth.
None are exaggerated or hyperbole.
Many haven’t even BEGUN to be sanctified! This is because they have corrupted the very thing that sanctifies! THE WORD!
John 17:17
Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
Be careful in the path you are taking.
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