Once Saved Always Saved

[Ferris Bueller]

“ If we are Unfaithful, HE remains Faithful, for He can’t deny Himself....”

But if you deny him he will deny you. Being unfaithful to the One you believe in, and denying him in unbelief are two entirely different things with two entirely different outcomes.

You're in an especially tenuous situation, theologically, because you say true believers can deny him.

If we disown him, he will also disown us;
if we are faithless, he remains faithful, for he cannot disown himself.
2 Timothy 2:12-13​

 

[marks]

Whoever has a lustful thought, even for a second is also in danger of that same “ Hell Fire”..... so I am forced to ask, “ What’s your Point?”
Using you logic, I could call somebody an “ idiotic moron” and be just fine .....” Fool” is some kind of Demonic Magic Word with Super Powers to send you to Hell if you utter it .....what on earth is the matter with you?

Seriously, the one first and most important commandment is routinely not being kept, that we Love God with all our heart and mind and soul and strength. I wonder how well any of us fair on the 2nd one . . . loving others.

Much love!

 

[justbyfaith]

No, I am not your eternal foe...

As a matter of fact, I am thinking of the following scripture.

2Ti 3:1, This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2Ti 3:2, For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
2Ti 3:3, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
2Ti 3:4, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5, Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

Therefore I think that if I can muster up the self-control to leave you to yourself, that it is expedient that I turn away from you;

For it is clear to me that you do have a form of godliness but deny the power thereof.

In that, on the one hand, you give lip service to the concept of "cleansing the inside of the cup and platter" and yet on the other hand you admit that you "have thoughts that would shame hell".

Thus you both claim to have been cleansed on the inside and yet also deny it in other posts as pertaining to the practical application of what that might look like.

You are a heretic, @Blood Bought 1953. So, I am giving you a first warning; and if I have to give you a 2nd warning, I will be obedient to Titus 3:10-11 and will reject you at the 2nd warning. It is at that point that I will turn away from you, as you are one who has a form of godliness but denies the power thereof.

I figured I would give you one more chance. :)

So, if you continue to teach that the doctrine of "Lucky Repentance" is a False and Perverted gospel....when I have already shown you in scripture multiple times why in fact it isn't...you will be rejected as a heretic...as one who is subverted and sinning; being condemned of yourself.

Because it is clear to me that you have a form of godliness but deny the power thereof in the manner that I have pointed out; and therefore, since I know beforehand what your reaction will be, it is as good as done that I am going to turn away from you in short order.

Thus I will not be your "eternal foe" and you may have the opportunity to reconcile with my Lord and Saviour because you are not my eternal foe and therefore you are not His eternal foe...

And this is why I am bowing out of this conversation with you in particular, @Blood Bought 1953.
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I reserve the right to respond to any of your posts in the near or far future....as they might be a springboard for me to preach the true gospel of Jesus Christ to "newbies"...

I suppose that I have the right to change my mind; if what I am reading in the holy scriptures leads me to do so.

The Lord spoke the following to me today in my personal reading, so I will not be so quick to give up on @Blood Bought 1953...

Gal 6:9, And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

I heard a wise man say this—- “ Flirting with the Law Of Moses is cheating on the Grace of Jesus”

When I love my neighbor as myself I'm cheating on the grace of Jesus? I think you mean when you try to be justified by keeping the law you are cheating on the grace of Jesus.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Seriously, the one first and most important commandment is routinely not being kept, that we Love God with all our heart and mind and soul and strength. I wonder how well any of us fair on the 2nd one . . . loving others.

Much love!

If only Christians understood that keeping the 2nd greatest commandment is how you keep the 1st one.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

1 Thessalonians 3:1-3,5
[1] ...when we could no longer forbear, we... [2] ...sent Timotheus, our brother, and minister of God, and our fellowlabourer in the gospel of Christ, to establish you, and to comfort you concerning your faith: [3] That no man should be moved by these afflictions... [5] For this cause... I sent to know your faith, lest by some means the tempter have tempted you, and our labour be in vain.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Luke 6:29,46,49
[29] And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also.

[46] And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

[49] But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.

 

[marks]

If only Christians understood that keeping the 2nd greatest commandment is how you keep the 1st one.

Interesting concept, except . . .

Having an intimate and loving relationship first with God Himself, this is how we do everything else.

It's not about what you do. It's about Who you know, and Who knows you.

Much love!

 

[marks]

If only Christians understood that keeping the 2nd greatest commandment is how you keep the 1st one.

The point being - - - who doesn't fall short of these??

I've not met anyone ever who has impressed me that they love God so completely at all times.

Much love!

 

[justbyfaith]

The point being - - - who doesn't fall short of these??

I've not met anyone ever who has impressed me that they love God so completely at all times.

Much love!

The Holy Ghost sheds abroad His love in the hearts of believers when those believers relinquish the control of their own lives to the Lord so that Jesus can live His life (of agape love) in them and through them.

Of course, when we take our lives back from Him and begin again to live them ourselves, His love is not going to manifest itself in us in those moments.

 

[Behold]

Uh-huh.

And ALL of this has nothing to do with the conversation.
But I understand why you feel the need to dodge the topic . . .

Ive already responded to the topic, a few times.

Here, i'll write for you.

If you are saved, then this means you are born again......not just water baptized, not just confirmed into a cult..... but BORN AGAIN, as a "NEW CREATION">
And that means your Spirit has been BIRTHED into God's Holy Spirit.
You have become "ONe with God", Spiritually..... "in Christ", eternally.
His Spirit in you, and your spirit in God.
This is to be "saved" and there is no changing that by attitude, stupidity, doubt, heretical theology, carnal behavior, or for any other reason.
No person has the power to stop being born again, but a lot of carnal lying people think they can, and teach that you can.

Once you are born again, you are always born again.

 

[Behold]

And you ONLY have Him in your life as long as you cooperate with His grace . . .

A person cooperates with God's Grace, when they give God their faith.
He then takes this, and "counts this as Righteousness" and they are "justified by faith".
This means that God has applied the Atonement to them...has made them righteous through the blood of Jesus, and so they remain, forever.
Salvation isn't a process.
Its a "gift". "The Gift of Salvation".

 

[Behold]

Born again saved people have confidence in the blood, or else they are not born again.

There is nothing else that gives us confidence.
See, when you understand that God is kept at peace with us, not by our works, and not by our continuing to believe, but only by Christ's Blood.
When you can SEE THIS, then on that day, you will stop being a self saver, and will have discovered the Grace of God.

 

[Behold]

The unbelieving are religious but lost and pretend to be Christian. No unbeliever is saved.

Its true that you can't be a Christ rejector, and be born again.
Its true that many in church, are not saved, but are full of religious idea, and love to sing in the Choir, but they are not born again.
Being born again, is a very specific event. God gives birth to your dead spirit, and makes it alive with His own.
Jesus said we must have this "new birth", or we do not belong to God.

 

[Marvelloustime]

Come ye one and come ye all to the glorious savoir JESUS CHRIST .

Oh the glorious Lord Jesus will be praised. We will always and forever rejoice in the Lord.

 

[Behold]

Born again people are believers, not unbelievers.

Absolutely true.

The unbelievers are damned, while they are breathing.
They are not waiting for damnation, they are waiting for the JUDGEMENT of the Damned, @Revelation 20:11.

THe unpardonable sin, is to be a Christ Rejector, as that is the one sin that can't be pardoned, .... its unpardonable.
Every single unbeliever, who has never been born again, and is alive, or dead, is committing this sin, or did commit it and died.
And "there is no more sacrifice available to you" if you have rejected the sacrifice.
So, these hit eternity and it hits them like a brick.
John 3:36

 

[Behold]

In Galatians 5:19-21 it says clearly that you won't inherit the kingdom of God if you walk according to the flesh.
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You say you are born again.
And here, you've said if you walk according to the flesh you wont inherit the Kingdom of God.
So, where you walking according to the flesh, all the times you have sinned and had to confess it?
How many times is that, in the last 20 yrs?
So, what about your "inheritance", as you have walked in the flesh every time you sinned and its been many since you were saved.


See......The born again have the Kingdom of God, within them.
The KOG is IN the Born again.
Its not a space ship that is coming to get us.
Its not Jesus in the Rapture, coming to cause it.
The born agian, EXIST WITHIN the Kingdom of God because it Lives in them.
Its a Spiritual Kingdom that every born again person has been BORN INTO, by being born again.

 

[Behold]

You have three fingers pointing back at you (Matthew 7:1-5, Luke 6:41-42).

I probably have your middle finger being pointed at me, and ive no issue with that, actually.
You are a theological misanthrope.
So, for you to agree with me, would not be possible.
You and Pauline Theology, are enemies.
Believe it.

 

[Behold]

I agree. justbyfaith is an enthusiast but is unbelievably theologically lost. I will pray for him.

I try to give him the benefit of the doubt, regarding his salvation.
Because..He was truly harmed by some deceivers early in his Christianity, and then theologically harmed extensively, by the Epistle to the Hebrews.
His theology, is a hybrid of Catholic, Jehovah's Witness, and Pentecostal Self Saving.

 

[Behold]

Oh the glorious Lord Jesus will be praised. We will always and forever rejoice in the Lord.

Amen, Amen, Amen !!