Once Saved Always Saved

[BloodBought 1953]

My mindset changed completely when I was born again. Before I was born again righteousness got in the way of my desire for sinning. Now sinning gets in the way of my desire for righteousness.

You nailed it here....great little post....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

The sinner at Corinth had to repent not because works earn or add to salvation, but because his sin was a rejection of Christ.

I don’t think he was a “ Christ Rejector”...... he was part of the Brethren ....a member of the Church that Paul founded...there is no mention of the guy being an Unbeliever...

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Key word there, 'harbored'. When you retain lustful thoughts that pop into your mind and tempt you, you have moved beyond temptation and are sinning.

Let me rephrase.....Jesus said “ whoever LOOKS at a woman with Lust has already committed Adultery with her in his heart.....”
To “ look” is a sin....to “retain” just makes it worse....
It makes no difference.....the point Jesus was making was that we are all sinners that need Him as a Savior....

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Well then, answer this, do you believe a person can refuse to believe in Christ after he is saved?

If you say no, then you have taken the belief of Calvinism, irresistible grace!

If you say yes, then do you think that the faith he once had that saved him, which he no longer has, will continue to save him?

Your a slanderer. And I do nit talk to people who bear false witness against others

you also believe Gid saved people he knows will walk away from him forcing him to retake his eternal life back. Which means you have a false view of who God is

so that’s a double whammy. Good day sir

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Oh, good. Another example of you're not sinning if you have no opportunity to do what God wants you to do. See, the church has to stop making legalisms out of things like this. You're not in disobedience if there is no one trustworthy or spiritual to bear your soul to in confession, or no church you should or can attend.

Another one

James said confess to
One another so you can be healed

I just said that it’s up to you and now I am legalistic when I just shared what God said

you wanna hide your sins feel free.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yeah, I agree it can be a good thing. But with the state of the church at this time I just don't do it.

Then find a good church. Is my recommendation. If you can’t trust your church your in the wrong place

 

[BloodBought 1953]

You continue to be blind to specific passages that have been shown to you that teach the reality that if a man repents, it will bring him life.


This logic would then conclude that Judas is a real big shot in Heaven.....nobody repented from a sin more than he did! He even offered Restitution—- he gave the money back! If “ repenting from Sins Saves a person”, all hail Judas !.....
Give me a break.....
It ain’t a Repentance Of “ Turning from Sins” that Saves......it’s a Repentance Of “Turning to God” that Saves.....”TURN to me ( Repent) and I will Turn to You”......”TURN to God ( Repent) with Faith in Jesus Christ and you will be Saved To The Uttermost”
That is why there is no verse in the KJV that says “ you must repent of your sins to be Saved”.... that is why you can’t produce it....that is why you don’t get my money....
If you think you are bound for Heaven because you Repented Of your Sins ( Giving NO credit to the Blood......and NO credit to one’s FAITH in the Finished Work Of The Cross) , the only thing that you are “ truly” bound for is Hell......
The Guilt for Sin .....the Sorrow for sin....the fear of going to Hell for your sins....the resolve “ to do better”......the things most think of as “ repentance” — all of these things are evidence of the CONVICTION of Sin.....when you see the verse that says, “ Nobody can come to God ( Repent) lest the Spirit draw him”..... THIS is how the Holy Spirit “ draws men”..... you see that you are a Sinner That needs a Savior and then you TURN to God ( Repentance) for your Deliverance from what you have been Convicted Of....You “ changed your mind”,which is another definition of Repentance, and you did something about it.....you went from a man that had been blinded by Satan , told that he was “ good enough” to make it to Heaven,to a man whose eyes had been opened by God , actually SEEING that he was wretched and in dire need of a Savior.....
The Conviction Of sin by the Holy Spirit LEADS to our “ Turning to God”.... it ain’t the “ Conviction or regret of Sin , or the Delusion That you can actually Stop Sinning ( what you would call “ repentance” ) that Saves specifically .....it is the “Turning to God with Faith in Jesus Christ” that does the Actual Saving.....
So yes, one must Repent in order to be Saved....I’ve said as much many times....you just have to know what Repentance really means in regard to Salvation.....
Here is what it sounds like—-Jesus gave us an example——( Luke 18:13)....”Lord have Mercy on me a Sinner”......The man Turned to God ( repented) and I am sure he did his best to abandon Sin from that point forward.....but that new- Found hatred of sin and the desire to stop it was the Result Of His Salvation—- not the means to obtain it.....

 

[BreadOfLife]

Nope

I trust the god that speaks Greek Hebrew and Aramaic.

you failed to,prove your point, but almost every time we speak you prove my point of your lack of faith in god

Bone up on your Greek - THEN get back to me so we can have an intelligent conversation . . .

 

[Michiah-Imla]

What would I have to give you to “ avoid Forums “ for ANOTHER 13 years? ...lol

Nothing.

But it does exercise my skills in the word by interacting with the variety of beliefs expressed here. Much of my study notes were inspired by being exposed to the lies of the church. Each time I heard a lie, I collected evidence against each one in my daily reading of the scriptures. By the time I finally decided to once again dabble on these chat forums last year after a 13 year absence, I was thoroughly seasoned to take on the most odious doctrine off all, Once Saved Always Saved. This is only the second forum I’ve been on since getting banned from the first one for refuting OSAS and promoting the sound doctrine of 1 John 3:9.

When I first started in the faith 13 years ago I was shocked at the rudeness of Christians on a chat board I briefly joined back then; but being a babe in Christ I had no skill in the word so I just decided to stop visiting all internet chat boards and spent all that time in perfecting my faith by heavy Bible reading.

I don’t know if I’ll stop coming here or not; I leave it up to the Lord to guide me in the right way. I was banned from the other place by the Lord’s will so that I could post here. So I’ll see what the Lord’s plan is as it unfolds. I don’t post on more than one chat board at a time; one provides enough stress as it is...

 

[justbyfaith]

That is why there is no verse in the KJV that says “ you must repent of your sins to be Saved”.... that is why you can’t produce it....that is why you don’t get my money...

You escape on a technicality. I have shown that the concept of repenting of your sins to be saved is indeed found in holy scripture. Because you require the exact words you don't have to pay up. But you lose the argument; because the concept is there in holy scripture.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Oh really? Well guess what BOL: You can't find one time where I have used this verse to prove OSAS! I commented on this verse because someone tried to use it as proof against predestination (which it is not). I also gave two verses to prove my point. I didn't run to Thayers. I didn't run to google to see if anything supports my doctrine. I used the Bible.

So perhaps next time you better pay attention to what people say before jumping on them.

By the way, I just now got around to looking up Hebrews 10:26 in the Strong's dictionary.... It doesn't really support your theory, does it?

"knowledge of a particular point (directed towards a particular object); perception, discernment, recognition, intuition."

And therein lies your problem.
"Using" the Bible when you have NO idea what it is saying is a dangerous thing.

You can't siply reject the original languages used just because you preper the English translation. That's not how a serious student of Scripture approaches the Word of God. It's the waya spoiled child would . . .

As to your rudimentary definition of "Epignosis" - I already presented the following scholarly Protestant evidence that FULLY explains the implications of this word and its Biblical use, so do your homework:

Richard Chenevix Trench
“In comparing epignosis with gnosis, the “epi” must be regarded as an intensive use of a preposition that gives the compound word a greater strength than the simple word alone possesses” (Synonyms of the New Testament, page 300).

Quoting Culverwell, he writes, “Epignosis and gnosis differ. Epignosis is the complete comprehension after the first knowledge (gnosin) of a matter. It is bringing me better acquainted with a thing I knew before; a more exact viewing of an object that I saw before afar off. That little portion of knowledge which we had here shall be much improved, our eye shall be raised to see the things more strongly and clearly” (Synonyms of the New Testament, page 300).

He goes on to say on the same page, “All Paul’s uses of epignosis justify and bear out this distinction. This same intensive use of epignosis is confirmed by similar passages in the New Testament and in the Septuagint. It also was recognized by the Greek fathers. Thus Chrysostom stated: ‘You knew (egnote), but it is necessary to know thoroughly (epignonai).”

J.B. Lightfoot
“The compound epignosis is an advance upon gnosis, denoting a larger and more thorough knowledge...Hence also epignosis is used especially of the knowledge of God and of Christ, as being the perfection of knowledge” (St. Paul’s Epistles to the Colossians and Philemon, page 138).

Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words
“epignosis, akin to A, No. 3, denotes "exact or full knowledge, discernment, recognition,"

The New Thayer’s Greek-English Lexicon (page 237):
1. Precise and correct knowledge
2. Knowledge of things ethical and divine
3. Of God, especially knowledge of His holy will and of the blessings which He has bestowed and constantly bestows on men through Christ
4. Of Christ, i.e., the true knowledge of Christ’s nature, dignity, benefits
5. Of God and Christ, i.e., to keep the knowledge of the one true God which has illumined the soul

Exegetical Dictionary of the New Testament, volume 2, page 25:
1. Knowledge as recognition of the will of God that is effective in the conduct of the one who knows God
2. Christian faith

 

[Wrangler]

When I first started in the faith 13 years ago I was shocked at the rudeness of Christians on a chat board I briefly joined back then; but being a babe in Christ I had no skill in the word so I just decided to stop visiting all internet chat boards and spent all that time in perfecting my faith by heavy Bible reading.

I don’t know if I’ll stop coming here or not; I leave it up to the Lord to guide me in the right way. I was banned from the other place by the Lord’s will so that I could post here. So I’ll see what the Lord’s plan is as it unfolds. I don’t post on more than one chat board at a time; one provides enough stress as it is...

I enjoy your posts. Above has sadly been my observation also.

We should be able to discuss things without personal attacks. A 4th century historian noted no one is more vicious than one Christian to another with slightly different beliefs. :-(

 

[justbyfaith]

It ain’t a Repentance Of “ Turning from Sins” that Saves......it’s a Repentance Of “Turning to God” that Saves.....”TURN to me ( Repent) and I will Turn to You”......”TURN to God ( Repent) with Faith in Jesus Christ and you will be Saved To The Uttermost”

God is holy...so turning to God means turning to holiness and thus away from sin.

 

[Wrangler]

And therein lies your problem.
"Using" the Bible when you have NO idea what it is saying is a dangerous thing.

You can't siply reject the original languages used just because you preper the English translation. That's not how a serious student of Scripture approaches the Word of God.

I disagree. It is not a preference but a part of the Great Commission to speak in the language of the people.

Your language skills as revealed above does not lend credibility to what people can do or how serious students go about it.

I speak English. Comparing one English translation is informative. Because translators exist, I have no need to become one also.

Have a blessed day.

 

[justbyfaith]

You continue to be blind to specific passages that have been shown to you that teach the reality that if a man repents, it will bring him life.


This logic would then conclude that Judas is a real big shot in Heaven.....nobody repented from a sin more than he did! He even offered Restitution—- he gave the money back! If “ repenting from Sins Saves a person”, all hail Judas !.....
Give me a break.....

I will say that real repentance does not constitute "trying to do better" in your own strength or the power of the flesh.

It entails receiving Christ and His shed blood as the remedy for sin.

Mat 1:21, And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Tit 2:13, Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Tit 2:14, Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
Tit 2:15, These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

Judas also died before the Holy Spirit was given (see John 7:39).

 

[justbyfaith]

I will also say that what Judas had was not godly sorrow that leads to real repentance...but a worldly sorrow (see 2 Corinthians 7:10).

 

[BloodBought 1953]

inally, the Truth.....” not so much”..... but you still have them, don’t you? Just as I stated....I:never said “ how often”
The important Point is that even though you may improve over time ( and I know that I have) ....you STILL need a TON of Grace ....just like your ol’ buddy, BB ..
Rarely do I ever have them.

I make this a rule of conduct.



These so - called “ rules of Conduct” ......do they save you?

 

[justbyfaith]

Nothing.

But it does exercise my skills in the word by interacting with the variety of beliefs expressed here. Much of my study notes were inspired by being exposed to the lies of the church. Each time I heard a lie, I collected evidence against each one in my daily reading of the scriptures. By the time I finally decided to once again dabble on these chat forums last year after a 13 year absence, I was thoroughly seasoned to take on the most odious doctrine off all, Once Saved Always Saved. This is only the second forum I’ve been on since getting banned from the first one for refuting OSAS and promoting the sound doctrine of 1 John 3:9.

When I first started in the faith 13 years ago I was shocked at the rudeness of Christians on a chat board I briefly joined back then; but being a babe in Christ I had no skill in the word so I just decided to stop visiting all internet chat boards and spent all that time in perfecting my faith by heavy Bible reading.

I don’t know if I’ll stop coming here or not; I leave it up to the Lord to guide me in the right way. I was banned from the other place by the Lord’s will so that I could post here. So I’ll see what the Lord’s plan is as it unfolds. I don’t post on more than one chat board at a time; one provides enough stress as it is...

I am very glad that you frequent these boards, @Michiah-Imla.

We may have our disagreements; but I am very blessed by your zeal to promote the holiness of the Lord in the lives of believers. You are truly a blessing; and some of my burden is lifted because you are around.

Keep up the good work!

 

[BreadOfLife]

1Jo 3:6, Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jo 2:17, And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

Whosoever doeth the will of God "sinneth not" "for ever."

NEITHER of these verses make the claim that Christians can't sin.

DOING the will of God is a condition - and its NOT a condition that we're in 100% of the time. Many times we succumb to our own will - and THAT'S why James tld his born again readers to "CONFESS your sins. "

The reality is that when we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us of our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness...

And when we sin again, we must confess, as James admonishes.
So you agree with this now?

Double predestination is taught in Jude 1:3-4.

No - it's just another perverted Calvinist doctrine that YOU'VE chosen to believe.

To say that God actually created some people just for the purpose of throwing them into Hell is blasphemy.
It is a contradition of the Gospel message that tells us:

John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM should not perish but have eternal life.

1 Tim. 2:3-4
This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who desires ALL PEOPLE TO BE SAVED and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

So, enough with your perverted and ungodly doctrines already . . .

 

[justbyfaith]

inally, the Truth.....” not so much”..... but you still have them, don’t you? Just as I stated....I:never said “ how often”
The important Point is that even though you may improve over time ( and I know that I have) ....you STILL need a TON of Grace ....just like your ol’ buddy, BB ..
Rarely do I ever have them.

I make this a rule of conduct.



These so - called “ rules of Conduct” ......do they save you?

The salvation that the Lord has wrought in me is what causes me to keep this rule of conduct. I am not going to put the cart before the horse here by saying that my rule of conduct saves me. I will say that my rule of conduct is there as the result of the salvation that the Lord has wrought in me.