Ferris Bueller
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Plack?
Oh, 'plaque'......I get it now.
Thank God salvation is not by spelling either. Or else you and me would be waltzing arm in arm right into hell, lol. Thank God for spell check.
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Oh, 'plaque'......I get it now.
Thank God salvation is not by spelling either. Or else you and me would be waltzing arm in arm right into hell, lol. Thank God for spell check.
Ferris Bueller
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According to the law of Moses. Concerning the man in the church at Corinth who was sleeping with his step mother.....
You must not have sexual relations with your father’s wife; it would dishonor your father. Leviticus 18:8
Ferris Bueller
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The faith that he once had saved him from sin, it never saved him from hell (because that is according to predestination); when it ceases to save him from sin it brings about the reality that he is not saved from hell. In a sense he is no longer saved from hell because there is a sense in which he was saved from hell because he was saved from sin. But in another sense he was never saved from hell because God knew that his faith wouldn't last and he would fall away from faith. But if he had faith, then he was saved by grace through that faith; not necessarily from hell but definitely from sin.
I can say if I am saved from sin that I am saved from hell also. But if I cease to be saved from sin then I am no longer saved from hell; and yet from God's perspective in eternity I was never saved from hell if I am only saved from sin for a season.
Ferris Bueller
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I think you're talking about the difference between sacrifice and obedience. Obedience is better than sacrifice. Obedience is always more important than the sacrifice of your service in whatever gift you have. The sacrifice of our service will never be more important than the obedience of living according to the fruit of the Spirit.
You can state it any way you like, but if you lose faith in Christ along the way, and hold to that, you ain't gonna make it, period!
I don't know jbf! I'm not the brightest bulb on the tree, in fact, you and many others here are much more intelligent than myself.
I'm just a sinner saved by grace, forever in debt to my Saviour, all I know is what He has taught me, and allowed me to know.
If that is what you have said, I agree.
If by "sinner saved by grace" you mean that you are someone who has the element of sin indwelling you (1 John 1:8); but in whom it has been rendered dead (Romans 6:6, Galatians 5:24, Romans 7:8) so that it no longer has any say over your behaviour (Romans 6:14), then I am in agreement with you.
But if you are teaching the false doctrine and heresy of the inevitability of sin, or, the idea that we cannot help but sin in the present and the future, then I disagree wholeheartedly.
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Discussion is alright.
So is Correction and even Rebuking when the Truth Of The Gospel is in Danger ....being “Perverted” by those that ADD to it with things like “Repenting Of All Of your Sins before you Die , lest you be damned” .....Paul’s Verdict on those that would Pervert His Gospel Of Pure Grace was Clear....
“Cast them Out” just as Hagar and Ishmael were.....( the Old Testament Biblical stand-ins for the Legalists Of today ) ...
Paul NEVER said to argue, debate, try to persuade or even PRAY for them—— he said to throw them out of the Church.Why? Simply because “ a little Leaven leavens the whole batch” It is not the policy here to eject them, so we most do the-next best thing, which is to use them as “ springboards”to get the Truth out there for the Newbies before they get Ruined by False Gospels.....
The True Gospel Of 1cor 15:1-4 says that if you simply believe that Jesus died for your sins and rose from the dead—- you will be Saved. Feel the need to Add to that ? With ANYTHING? .....Congratulations, for you are now a Gospel Perverted and you have “ Fallen From Grace”......read Galatians .....there is no room for argument....just pray to God that “falling from Grace” does not mean Eternal Damnation....If it DOES mean That, it’s no big surprise—- Jesus DID say the Path to Heaven was a “ narrow” one.....If you say, “ Jesus Saves—- BUT!” .....you might want to consider changing paths.....the “ Path” that says “Nothing But The Blood Of Jesus “ for Salvation.....
So is Correction and even Rebuking when the Truth Of The Gospel is in Danger ....being “Perverted” by those that ADD to it with things like “Repenting Of All Of your Sins before you Die , lest you be damned” .....Paul’s Verdict on those that would Pervert His Gospel Of Pure Grace was Clear....
“Cast them Out” just as Hagar and Ishmael were.....( the Old Testament Biblical stand-ins for the Legalists Of today ) ...
Paul NEVER said to argue, debate, try to persuade or even PRAY for them—— he said to throw them out of the Church.Why? Simply because “ a little Leaven leavens the whole batch” It is not the policy here to eject them, so we most do the-next best thing, which is to use them as “ springboards”to get the Truth out there for the Newbies before they get Ruined by False Gospels.....
The True Gospel Of 1cor 15:1-4 says that if you simply believe that Jesus died for your sins and rose from the dead—- you will be Saved. Feel the need to Add to that ? With ANYTHING? .....Congratulations, for you are now a Gospel Perverted and you have “ Fallen From Grace”......read Galatians .....there is no room for argument....just pray to God that “falling from Grace” does not mean Eternal Damnation....If it DOES mean That, it’s no big surprise—- Jesus DID say the Path to Heaven was a “ narrow” one.....If you say, “ Jesus Saves—- BUT!” .....you might want to consider changing paths.....the “ Path” that says “Nothing But The Blood Of Jesus “ for Salvation.....
I have the sin nature that dwells inside me, but by my faith in Christ and relationship with Him, sin will not have dominion over me, meaning as long as I exercise my faith in the Cross of Christ, the sin nature will not have dominion, or control me.
I am saved by the grace of God but I am not sinless. I fail at times, even though I don't want to. But when I do fail, I'm sorry and feel remorse that I have sinned against my God. I don't want to sin, I have no pleasure in it, I long for the day when the mortal puts on the immortal, and I will no longer fail my Christ.
Do all believers repent in time before losing their salvation
Aha ......same old False Unbiblical Doctrine Of ” Lucky Repentance” .....just a different Gospel Perverter spreading it this time.... and I was foolish enough to think that this guy was coming around to the Truth.....
To the Newbies out there.....do you Believe that Jesus is “ The Risen Lord?”.....Paul had a test to see if one is Truly Saved or Not.....did you answer “ yes” to the question? According to Romans 10:9,you are Saved.....Forever. You are a Member of the Body Of Christ. UNTOUCHABLE! NOTHING can take you from His Grip.....Nothing means Nothing.....and that would include even YOU trying to escape that grip yourself......
Some Confused, poorly taught “ Christians” insist on preaching “ Condemnation” where there is none... They call God a Liar....God said, “ there is NO CONDEMNATION for those who are in Christ Jesus.” How do you know that you are “ in Christ Jesus?” You are in Him when He is in you....If you can say Sincerely that “ Jesus is Lord” ( God in the Flesh , Risen from the Grave), according to Paul, you can’t say that unless the Holy Spirit is within you.....With that In- Dwelling Holy Spirit you are “SEALED unto the Day Of Redemption”....... ignore a “ perverted Gospel” that would say otherwise...
If you were an Unbeliever in Jesus who “ changed his mind” and BECAME a Believer.... you have undergone the only “ repentance” you need to get Saved forever......
“ Repenting Of Sins?”...... become a Believer and THAT type of Repentance will come about naturally....and now that you have become a “ New Creation” with a “ New Heart”, the-Holy Spirit That now dwells Inside Of you can actually get something DONE.....His Presence will Transform you.....you continue your Walk and Finish your Walk in the same manner you Started it....
By Trusting God.....God Bless....
Aha ......same old False Unbiblical Doctrine Of ” Lucky Repentance” .....just a different Gospel Perverter spreading it this time.... and I was foolish enough to think that this guy was coming around to the Truth.....
To the Newbies out there.....do you Believe that Jesus is “ The Risen Lord?”.....Paul had a test to see if one is Truly Saved or Not.....did you answer “ yes” to the question? According to Romans 10:9,you are Saved.....Forever. You are a Member of the Body Of Christ. UNTOUCHABLE! NOTHING can take you from His Grip.....Nothing means Nothing.....and that would include even YOU trying to escape that grip yourself......
Some Confused, poorly taught “ Christians” insist on preaching “ Condemnation” where there is none... They call God a Liar....God said, “ there is NO CONDEMNATION for those who are in Christ Jesus.” How do you know that you are “ in Christ Jesus?” You are in Him when He is in you....If you can say Sincerely that “ Jesus is Lord” ( God in the Flesh , Risen from the Grave), according to Paul, you can’t say that unless the Holy Spirit is within you.....With that In- Dwelling Holy Spirit you are “SEALED unto the Day Of Redemption”....... ignore a “ perverted Gospel” that would say otherwise...
If you were an Unbeliever in Jesus who “ changed his mind” and BECAME a Believer.... you have undergone the only “ repentance” you need to get Saved forever......
“ Repenting Of Sins?”...... become a Believer and THAT type of Repentance will come about naturally....and now that you have become a “ New Creation” with a “ New Heart”, the-Holy Spirit That now dwells Inside Of you can actually get something DONE.....His Presence will Transform you.....you continue your Walk and Finish your Walk in the same manner you Started it....
By Trusting God.....God Bless....
Sorry, Charlie,
Lol....I was paying no attention to your name when I said that...
I could just as easily have been talking to a “ Jim”.....I was thinking about the old “ Charlie the Tuna “ commercials .....I go Waaaaaaaayyyyyy Back.....Lol....
Lol....I was paying no attention to your name when I said that...
I could just as easily have been talking to a “ Jim”.....I was thinking about the old “ Charlie the Tuna “ commercials .....I go Waaaaaaaayyyyyy Back.....Lol....
I think what shocks me more than your blasphemous ranting against holiness is that @Charlie24actually LIKED your unholy ranting. I knew there was a reason I avoided internet chat forums for over 13 years...
What would I have to give you to “ avoid Forums “ for ANOTHER 13 years? ...lol
What would I have to give you to “ avoid Forums “ for ANOTHER 13 years? ...lol
I would just “ love” to “ go easy” on myself.....BUT! Jesus said that if you harbored “ lustful thoughts” you are as “ GUILTY” as an Adulterer......You can say, “ Hey, I wasn’t Sinning ( even though you really “ wanted” to ) and maybe you were not.....Regardless, Jesus says you are no better than an Adulterer....
So take your argument to Him.....
All of the people that you have mentioned (including yourself) have been soundly refuted by me and a few others (like @Ferris Bueller and @Michiah-Imla).
Soundly refuted by those that have “ Fallen From Grace?” ....I doubt it....
Soundly refuted by those that have “ Fallen From Grace?” ....I doubt it....
They have not believed that the blood of Jesus is strong enough to sanctify them (Hebrews 13:12, Hebrews 10:29) and cleanse them from all sin (1 John 1:7) but have only believed in it for justification.
And in this, they have not had the blood applied to them
I have told you otherwise Point- Blank .Why are you spreading lies about me?
And in this, they have not had the blood applied to them
I have told you otherwise Point- Blank .Why are you spreading lies about me?
I say the truth in Christ, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost, that the secret thoughts that would shame hell, I had plenty of them before I received Christ.
Afterwards, not so much.
Finally, the Truth.....” not so much”..... but you still have them, don’t you? Just as I stated....I:never said “ how often”
The important Point is that even though you may improve over time ( and I know that I have) ....you STILL need a TON of Grace ....just like your ol’ buddy, BB .....
Afterwards, not so much.
Finally, the Truth.....” not so much”..... but you still have them, don’t you? Just as I stated....I:never said “ how often”
The important Point is that even though you may improve over time ( and I know that I have) ....you STILL need a TON of Grace ....just like your ol’ buddy, BB .....
Now you are not taking into account every scripture. There are scriptures that teach that if you have a nominal, lukewarm, or shallow faith, you can fall away (Luke 8:13) or be cut off (Romans 11:20-22).
So what?......Jesus says if one simply Believes in Him they will NEVER come under Condemnation.....Never means NEVER ......
“ lukewarm, shallow, etc.....” may not mean Damnation ....if they “ DO” mean Damnation, then it is up to Jesus to see that those things do not happen.....He is the one that said “ NEVER”, not me.....and Jesus IS a “ gentleman”, right? He can’t and ain’t gonna lie.....
So what?......Jesus says if one simply Believes in Him they will NEVER come under Condemnation.....Never means NEVER ......
“ lukewarm, shallow, etc.....” may not mean Damnation ....if they “ DO” mean Damnation, then it is up to Jesus to see that those things do not happen.....He is the one that said “ NEVER”, not me.....and Jesus IS a “ gentleman”, right? He can’t and ain’t gonna lie.....
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