Once Saved Always Saved

[JunChosen]

Scripture harmonizes with itself.
Jesus Gave His Flesh Body.
Jesus Offered His giving to All men.
You have nothing to Do with His Act of Giving.
You can Act, and Accept His Offer, or not.

Glory to God,
Taken

You said: "Jesus Offered His giving to All men."

FALSE! He gave (not offered) Himself only to His people (Matthew 1:21).

You said: "You have nothing to Do with His Act of Giving."

Surely I have everything to do with His Act of GIVING! (Psalms 79:9).

You said: "You can Act, and Accept His Offer, or not."

Don't know what Bible you are reading but mine declares, "there's None righteous No, Not One; there's NONE that SEEKS after God." Romans 3:10-11

To God Be The Glory

 

[Michiah-Imla]

question Michiah-Imla, in Revelation 3:1 who is speaking to the Churches?

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

The Spirit:

Revelation 3:6
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

 

[101G]

The Spirit:

Revelation 3:6
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

BINGO, and that Spirit that is speaking is JESUS, now if according to you that would be 8 Spirits, LOL, are you kidding me? see, JESUS is the Holy Spirit, and 7 Spirit, simply means Complete.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[Ferris Bueller]

You are again teaching that Faith is the savior.

That's not the argument. Standing by faith is how you access the grace of God that saves. You have to have faith in the blood to be saved by the blood. That's the argument.

Thats not true.
Get off that deceit.
Instead recognize that the BLOOD Of Jesus, and NOT FAITH, is what keeps you saved.

Faith is what you enter through to access that which does save, and keeps you connected to it.

they gathered the church together and reported all that God had done through them, and how He had opened the door of faith to the Gentiles. Acts 14:27

we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we stand. Romans 5:1-2

who through faith are shielded by God’s power for the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time. 1 Peter 1:5​

So no one is saying faith itself is the savior. You have to have faith because faith is the door to that which does save and keeps God's shielding power. So what the argument boils down to is, can a true believer stop believing? That's a curious question, but what matters is that we do as the Bible says and hold firmly to the gospel and believe to the very end so we can be saved in the very end.

By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. 1 Corinthians 15:2​

 

[Michiah-Imla]

BINGO, and that Spirit that is speaking is JESUS, now if according to you that would be 8 Spirits, LOL, are you kidding me?

Not according to me; and the thing you are accusing of kidding you is the scripture.

Revelation 3:1
...These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God

John 7:38-39
He that believeth on me [now], as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him [then] should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given [then]; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

 

[Eternally Grateful]

This is post #777 for me, cool!

Oh, I see.

You believe there is a separate judgment seat for believers to be judged on their works in order to receive rewards.

This is not taught in the Bible. The judgement seat of Christ is synonymous with the Great White throne judgement in Revelation; for:

John 5:22
...the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son

Hebrews 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment

Doubtless you will strongly disagree with me.

The problem with this thinking is that we have the same English word with 2 different Greek words that have different meaning. That’s why I explicitly spoke of the bema judgement. Where we receive rewards. Not the great white throne judgment (Krinos) judgement in which those judged are found guilty

the others issue is that those at the krinos judgment are delivered (death and hades). We are believers are resurrected by Christ not delivered to him.
Anyway. Once again what is the difference between a man who has 5 works and a man who has 1000. Can you answer please.

 

[101G]

Not according to me; and the thing you are accusing of kidding you is the scripture.

Revelation 3:1
...These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God

John 7:38-39
He that believeth on me [now], as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him [then] should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given [then]; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

It makes no difference ACCORDING to Y..O..U... LOL, but ACCORDING TO GOD... YIKES!.

John 7:38-39
He that believeth on me [now], as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him [then] should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given [then]; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

and WHY was the Holy Ghost not yet GIVEN? answer, because he had not yet, A. GLORIFIED, and B. LEAVE, to be in that GLORIFIED STATE, so that he, my, Spirit, can comfort us... John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;"
John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."
John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you."

one have to be blind, and dishonest, to stumble over this. listen,
A. "another Comforter?", yes, which is HIM, JESUS, in a glorified STATE. because he's the Equal share, the Holy Ghost in FLESH, in the G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') state now. BINGO, supportive scripture, Luke 2:25.

B. "but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you", KNOW HIM, yes because he is standing right in front of them... lol, and when he came on Pentecost, he now JESUS, will be in them.

C. John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you."
one have to be deaft, dumb, and blind, not to understand that.
listen the Comforter here in John 14:16 is,
G3875 παράκλητος parakletos (pa-ra'-klee-tos) n.
1. (properly) one called near (to give help).
2. an intercessor (one who entreats of behalf of another).
3. a comforter.
[(not given)]
KJV: advocate, comforter
Root(s): G3844, G2822

NOW, 1 John 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:"
NOW PLEASE LOOK UP "ADVOCATE", ............ YIKES!. .... case closed.

Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Filthy rags are those who are trying to get to heaven by their works.

Filthy rags is referring to a menstrual cloth. In the law menstruation makes a woman unclean and unfit to approach God. The prophet is saying by nature our righteousness is like the natural flow of a menstruating woman and makes us unclean and unfit to approach God. So whether you're actually trying to approach God in your natural uncleanness or not, the point is by nature we don't possess the righteousness necessary to safely approach God.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

... if you believe you can lose your salvation, then you have faith that your behavior is greater and more powerful then God's Blood.

Behavior is only an indicator of faith, like it was for Abraham. The point is you have to have faith to be saved. Whether you can lose faith or not makes for interesting discussion but the important matter is that you hold fast to the gospel in faith so you can be saved when Jesus comes back. Growth in godly works show a continuing faith. Purposely and willfully going back to the habit of your old life of sinning shows you either never believed to begin with or you have stopped believing. Settling the matter of which one happened doesn't change the fact that either way you're not going to be saved when Jesus comes back. That's why it's more important to focus on continuing to believe and not get distracted by whether or not you can really stop believing or not.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

The problem with this thinking is that we have the same English word with 2 different Greek words that have different meaning. That’s why I explicitly spoke of the bema judgement.

Pilates judgment seat is the “bema” as well; And we all know that Pilate was not going to give Christ any rewards there (Matthew 27:19).

the others issue is that those at the krinos judgment are delivered (death and hades)

Not so, because the book of life is used at the Great White throne (Revelation 20:12). It is not there opened just for show, it’s there because those who died BEFORE the mark of the beast, who died in the Lord, will be there and be found in the book of life and then sent to the heavenly Jerusalem; because the saints who were contemporaries of the mark of the beast tribulation were part of the rapture when Christ returned to raise the beheaded saints first, then to change the living saints at a blink of an eye. These saints returned with Christ to rule on the earth while Satan was bound 1,000 years (Revelation 20:5).

Revelation 20:12-15
[12] And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. [13] And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. [15] And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

And proof that saved people will be here comes from this passage:

John 5:28-29
Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

GIVEN? answer, because he had not yet, A. GLORIFIED, and B. LEAVE, to be in that GLORIFIED STATE, so that he, my, Spirit, can comfort us...

Um, ookay... not sure why you say this. I have not spoken to any of this.

John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you."

one have to be blind, and dishonest, to stumble over this.

Uh... what? What are you addressing me for. I’m not saying anything to which your reply speaks to.

A. "another Comforter?", yes, which is HIM, JESUS, in a glorified STATE. because he's the Equal share, the Holy Ghost in FLESH, in the G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') state now. BINGO, supportive scripture, Luke 2:25.

B. "but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you", KNOW HIM, yes because he is standing right in front of them... lol, and when he came on Pentecost, he now JESUS, will be in them.

C. John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you."
one have to be deaft, dumb

Yeah, okay.

But it’s odd that you charge others with hearing and speaking disabilities when your post makes no sense to my arguments my man.

 

[101G]

It's amazing how people can read something, and I mean LOOKING right at the words that they are reading, but yet comprehend not what they are reading. as I pointed out before, the ATTENTION problem when one mind is trained not to see only ONE WAY, .... what it is told. a classic example,

"Will You Pass The Attention Test?"

this what happens when one is taught only "ONE" way.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[Michiah-Imla]

@101G

It’s not nice to speak evil of others; especially without a cause.

I told you already that your replies to me were not relevant to my discussion and point of contention. I never argued against the Holy Ghost and I don’t disagree with your post; so I don’t follow why you posted those scriptures to me.

 

[07-07-07]

Your name must first be written in the book of Life in order for it to be blotted out. Jesus said:

Revelation 3
[1] And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.
[2] Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
[3] Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
[4] Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.
[5] He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

 

[07-07-07]

Whoever abides in Jesus, but bears no fruit, the Father takes them away. Where do you suppose the Father takes them to?

John 15
[1] I [Jesus] am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
[2] Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

What does God do with an unfruitful tree? He cuts it down.

Luke 13
[6] He [Jesus] spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none.
[7] Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground?
[8] And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it:
[9] And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Filthy rags is referring to a menstrual cloth. In the law menstruation makes a woman unclean and unfit to approach God. The prophet is saying by nature our righteousness is like the natural flow of a menstruating woman and makes us unclean and unfit to approach God. So whether you're actually trying to approach God in your natural uncleanness or not, the point is by nature we don't possess the righteousness necessary to safely approach God.

Also used of a battle rags of all the clotted blood soaked rags.

this is what God thinks of our righteousness.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Pilates judgment seat is the “bema” as well; And we all know that Pilate was not going to give Christ any rewards there (Matthew 27:19).



Not so, because the book of life is used at the Great White throne (Revelation 20:12). It is not there opened just for show, it’s there because those who died BEFORE the mark of the beast, who died in the Lord, will be there and be found in the book of life and then sent to the heavenly Jerusalem; because the saints who were contemporaries of the mark of the beast tribulation were part of the rapture when Christ returned to raise the beheaded saints first, then to change the living saints at a blink of an eye. These saints returned with Christ to rule on the earth while Satan was bound 1,000 years (Revelation 20:5).

Revelation 20:12-15
[12] And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. [13] And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. [15] And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

And proof that saved people will be here comes from this passage:

John 5:28-29
Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

He saw the DEAD. And they were delivered up to Christ.

we are ressurected by Jesus.

why are you refusing to answer my question?

once again, what is the difference between a man who has 5 works and a man who has 1000 works at the bema judgment (1 cor 3)

if you can’t answer just say so and I will move on

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Whoever abides in Jesus, but bears no fruit, the Father takes them away. Where do you suppose the Father takes them to?

John 15
[1] I [Jesus] am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
[2] Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

What does God do with an unfruitful tree? He cuts it down.

Luke 13
[6] He [Jesus] spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none.
[7] Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground?
[8] And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it:
[9] And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.

Take away in John 15 literally means to lifts up, it’s a term used of lifting branches off the ground so they can bear fruit.
Luke 13 Jesus said let him try to fertilize it, if it still does not bear fruit cut it down.

The gospel,is what fertilizes, if the gospel does not bear fruit, it is no good,

 

[Taken]

According to the passage these people whom God never knew are signified by the fact that they are evildoers and do not put Jesus' words into practice. That's how you recognize the lost person. They are not changed. No transformation is present. No outward evidence of knowing Christ is present.

The point was...THOSE men, did INVOKE Jesus' name, and so DO men in this day;

But they never became converted.

 

[07-07-07]

Take away in John 15 literally means to lifts up, it’s a term used of lifting branches off the ground so they can bear fruit.
Luke 13 Jesus said let him try to fertilize it, if it still does not bear fruit cut it down.

The gospel,is what fertilizes, if the gospel does not bear fruit, it is no good,

No, the cut down tree is cast into the fire of hell. John the Baptist declared:

Luke 3
[8] Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
[9] And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.