Once Saved Always Saved

[Eternally Grateful]

Been there... done that... I don't argue doctrine anymore. But thanks for the offer.

I try not to argue either, just give my view, and see if maybe I can learn something.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

God was pleased with the works of these servants:

Matthew 25:14-30
[14] For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods. [15] And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey. [16] Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents. [17] And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two. [18] But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money. [19] After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them. [20] And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more. [21] His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord. [22] He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them. [23] His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

But here is the fate of the one without works:

[24] Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed: [25] And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine. [26] His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed: ...[30] And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Yep

and those without works are those who have no faith, a dead faith never saved anyone, as James said, can a dead faith save you? James answer is no

true believers have works. Those who sin have never seen or known God.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

true believers have works. Those who sin have never seen or known God

I agree.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I agree.

What the difference between a believer who has 5 works and a believer who has 1000 works?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

What the difference between a believer who has 5 works and a believer who has 1000 works?

The difference is that Christ will purge the one with 5 works so that he may bring forth more works.

John 15:2
Every branch in me that... beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

 

[justbyfaith]

So.Its like this Ferris, ... if you believe you can lose your salvation, then you have faith that your behavior is greater and more powerful then God's Blood.

Somehow you have to factor Romans 11:20-22 into this. Otherwise you are denying holy scripture.

You are again teaching that Faith is the savior.
Thats not true.
Get off that deceit.
Instead recognize that the BLOOD Of Jesus, and NOT FAITH, is what keeps you saved.
Wake up.

I think the Bible says we are saved by grace, so I agree

We are saved by grace, this is true; but we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand (Romans 5:1-2).

And therefore, if we cease to have faith, we cease to have access to grace. And if we don't have access to grace, we are not saved.

The good news is that if we have a heart faith that is unto righteousness (Romans 10:10) and enduring to the end (Matthew 10:22, Hebrews 3:6, Hebrews 3:14), we are sealed with the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 1:13-14, Ephesians 4:30, 2 Corinthians 1:22, 2 Corinthians 5:5) and therefore we have an everlasting faith that is instilled by the Holy Spirit by whom we are sealed. And therefore we have everlasting life (John 6:47)....which is life that can never come to an end...otherwise it would have been defined as temporal.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The difference is that Christ will purge the one with 5 works so that he may bring forth more works.

John 15:2
Every branch in me that... beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

I am talking about two men who stand before God on judgment (bema) day , one man has 5 works one man had 1000 works

what is the difference?

 

[justbyfaith]

I am talking about two men who stand before God on judgment (bema) day , one man has 5 works one man had 1000 works

what is the difference?

There are two seemingly contradictory passages on this.

One is a parable where the people who worked from the 11th hour are paid the same as those who worked from the beginning of the day.

The other is the situation in 1 Corinthians 3:11-15 where we find that we are building a building on the foundation of Jesus Christ with gold, sliver, precious gems, wood, hay, stubble, and what we build will be tested and revealed by fire. Whatever remains = our reward.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

There are two seemingly contradictory passages on this.

One is a parable where the people who worked from the 11th hour are paid the same as those who worked from the beginning of the day.

The other is the situation in 1 Corinthians 3:11-15 where we find that we are building a building on the foundation of Jesus Christ with gold, sliver, precious gems, wood, hay, stubble, and what we build will be tested and revealed by fire. Whatever remains = our reward.

What is the same in both of those passages?

 

[justbyfaith]

What is the same in both of those passages?

I don't know; you tell me.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I don't know; you tell me.

Did they both receive reward?

 

[justbyfaith]

Did they both receive reward?

Of course; but in one instance the reward was not measured by the work that was done for the reward; while in the other it is measured by the work, that is, by what remains of what you built on the foundation.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

I am talking about two men who stand before God on judgment (bema) day , one man has 5 works one man had 1000 works

what is the difference?

The difference at the judgement will be wether or not any were workers of iniquity regardless of the amount of good works they had.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Of course; but in one instance the reward was not measured by the work that was done for the reward; while in the other it is measured by the work, that is, by what remains of what you built on the foundation.

They both are based on works my friend,

Paul said in 1 cor, each ones work will become clear

and the first parable is about paying people who work

reward are always based on works.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The difference at the judgement will be wether or not any were workers of iniquity regardless of the amount of good works they had.

Again, we are talking about bema judgment not the great white throne

again, one has 5 works the other has 1000.

 

[101G]

No wonder you deny the Son of God and God the Father!
1 John 2:22 (NKJV)
22 He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.

you don't understand John 14:16, that's all.

let me ask you a question. Why do you need a comforter? and a mediator? and a intercessor? for you? why?

is it because you're so GOOD, and Rightious?. thought so.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Again, we are talking about bema judgment not the great white throne

again, one has 5 works the other has 1000.

This is post #777 for me, cool!

Oh, I see.

You believe there is a separate judgment seat for believers to be judged on their works in order to receive rewards.

This is not taught in the Bible. The judgement seat of Christ is synonymous with the Great White throne judgement in Revelation; for:

John 5:22
...the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son

Hebrews 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment

Doubtless you will strongly disagree with me.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Blood Bought 1953 said: ↑
No scripture exists that says future sins are forgiven. That is utter falsehood



I did not say this.....this is not the first time you have made it appear that I said something that somebody else said.....I hope it is an inadvertent error on your part ....if so please be more careful....I don’t think you are a big a low- life as to do it on purpose......if it happens again I will report it....

 

[101G]

And yet the scripture speaks of 7 Spirits here:

Revelation 3:1
[1] And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.

question Michiah-Imla, in Revelation 3:1 who is speaking to the Churches?

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[101G]

for all those who wilfully still use,
Hebrews 10:26 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,"
Hebrews 10:27 "But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries."

first I suggest one read the entire chapter. and next I ask this, |if we commit "one" act of sin wilfully, then we're doomed to DEATH? is this correct. well if so I recommend one to read this, Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Here "sin" is singular as in Hebrew 10:26, but the "WAGES", is plural. meaning more that one. this right there should put an end to this nonesense.......

just as the Holy Spirit said through his apostle, Romans 6:1 "What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?" what is his answer? Romans 6:2 "God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?"

continue... means pratice it. if you're practicing sin, you was never his...... because if you're his, and is sinning, uncontrollable he will chastise you and get it under control. because a child of God can never stay in sin. hence the scripture those who are born of God sin not, why? because he either cleans it by our confession, or correct us, with the rod.

so the Hebrew 10:26 you cannot used that anymore, for any hell and damination of the Child of God. and there are others scriptures that also substantiate this also.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"