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There must be one true church founded on Peter and the apostles and their successors
Why just because you want to believe a lie, should we all join in you with the lie, it all falls down to a certain religion twisting thing to suit its self, for you see,

Mar 10:42 But Jesus called them to him, and saith unto them, Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise authority upon them.
Mar 10:43 But so shall it not be among you: but whosoever will be great among you, shall be your minister:
Mar 10:44 And whosoever of you will be the chiefest, shall be servant of all.
Mar 10:45 For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

It was by revelation that Peter received the truth and is that rock "revelation"that is solid and sure,, that He,"Jesus "is building His Church, You canbnot get revelation from men, nor reading the bible nor going to Church, it comes form Heaven.

Mat_11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.


But men love religion more than they do the truth.
 

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Why just because you want to believe a lie, should we all join in you with the lie, it all falls down to a certain religion twisting thing to suit its self, for you see,

Mar 10:42 But Jesus called them to him, and saith unto them, Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise authority upon them.
Mar 10:43 But so shall it not be among you: but whosoever will be great among you, shall be your minister:
Mar 10:44 And whosoever of you will be the chiefest, shall be servant of all.
Mar 10:45 For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

It was by revelation that Peter received the truth and is that rock "revelation"that is solid and sure,, that He,"Jesus "is building His Church, You canbnot get revelation from men, nor reading the bible nor going to Church, it comes form Heaven.

Mat_11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.


But men love religion more than they do the truth.

then why does Jesus command Peter and the apostles and their successors to teach “thee faith”? Matt 28:19

thee faith eph 4:5 Jude 1:3
 

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then why does Jesus command Peter and the apostles and their successors to teach “thee faith”? Matt 28:19

thee faith eph 4:5 Jude 1:3
Does He tell them to build churches...??? Do you think your church can save you, salvation is in Christ alone, church wont be there to back you up.
 

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Does He tell them to build churches...??? Do you think your church can save you, salvation is in Christ alone, church wont be there to back you up.

no He says and I quote “I will build my church” Matt 16:18 Jn 10:16 one fold

yes the church is necessary for salvation
It is the body of Christ!

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Acts 2:47
Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

1 Pet 3:20
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark all died and outside the church there is no salvation!)
 

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We are obedient through faith it is only the religious that need to "prove", but in there "proving "they are disobedient. Religion is all about you, faith is all about Christ.
Yes, so true. Religion, if it doesn't serve others, is selfish and hypocritical. Proving, as you say, one's religiosity by observing rituals and times and seasons is not and can never be relationship with Christ.
And no I wont be bothering you
You're no bother at all.
 

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Yes, so true. Religion, if it doesn't serve others, is selfish and hypocritical. Proving, as you say, one's religiosity by observing rituals and times and seasons is not and can never be relationship with Christ.

You're no bother at all.

religion: is what man owes to God, divine faith hope and charity are impossible outside of religion
It is the new covenant not a social club
The ritual of baptism is required for initiation and sacrifice must be offered
 

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Mmmm. So according to you the church should not be apologising for the 30 to 50 million estimated innocent victims of papal persecution and war. Okay.
You have no evidence of any of this
 

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no He says and I quote “I will build my church” Matt 16:18 Jn 10:16 one fold
Yes His church not let men build theirs, but they did anyway.

yes the church is necessary for salvation
no it is Not He is and Faith in what He did,

It is the body of Christ!
mens churches are not the body, would Christ join Himself to a harlot.

1Co 6:15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Yep His Church, which would you rather be part of...

Rev_18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Jus tas Jesus stood outisde of Jerusalem and wept, because they would rather religion than Him, when he returns it will be no different, the religious will be in Church and they too will miss their visitation, there is nothing new under the Sun.
 

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Yes, so true. Religion, if it doesn't serve others, is selfish and hypocritical. Proving, as you say, one's religiosity by observing rituals and times and seasons is not and can never be relationship with Christ.
And yet you choose to remain a part of one.
 

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But they didn't. (NT Christians worshiped on Sunday)
Hi B5,

So says the men that you follow that started your teaching about 500 years ago. There is 2,000 years of teaching from other men that you don’t follow that say different. I can provide evidence for my 2,000 year teaching. Can you provide evidence showing that your teaching is 2,000 years old??

Curious Mary
 

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There's nothing wrong with religion if it's in harmony with the biblical mandates. Loving others and caring for them. Isaiah 58 describes the true Christian religion.
One does not need religion to help anyone, but it makes slaves of men, but than men love to be slaves.

Exo_14:12 Is not this the word that we did tell thee in Egypt, saying, Let us alone, that we may serve the Egyptians? For it had been better for us to serve the Egyptians, than that we should die in the wilderness.

Nothing new under the sun.
Luk 10:40 But Martha was cumbered about much serving, and came to him, and said, Lord, dost thou not care that my sister hath left me to serve alone? bid her therefore that she help me.
Luk 10:41 And Jesus answered and said unto her, Martha, Martha, thou art careful and troubled about many things:
Luk 10:42 But one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her.
 

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Hi B5,

So says the men that you follow that started your teaching about 500 years ago. There is 2,000 years of teaching from other men that you don’t follow that say different. I can provide evidence for my 2,000 year teaching. Can you provide evidence showing that your teaching is 2,000 years old??

Curious Mary
Hi Mary,

How the Christian world came to observe Sunday is simple matter of history. The Roman Church sought to distance itself from Jews, and to encourage the conversion of Pagans (who had been worshipping on Sunday for a long time….this is how it became known as the “sun day”). So it adopted the day. Alexandria joined the city of Rome in this plan. And after Rome gained the ascendancy over other churches, its tradition became general.

First, we agree that our Savior was resurrected on the first day of the week. And we agree that this tremendous event ought to be commemorated. When we attend a baptism we are attending a ritual that reminds us of the resurrection of the Lord.

But when the Bible speaks about the first day of the week, it never mentions any sanctity ever being conferred on that day.

We find that the disciples once met on the first day of the week “for fear of the Jews.” John 20:19. We find that Paul once preached all Sabbath long, then through Saturday evening, with the intent of traveling on what we call Sunday morning. Ac 20.

Some, reading this passage, are confused because they do not understand that the Jewish day begins at sunset. So when they read that it was dark, on the “first day of the week”, they are thinking Sunday night. But Jews understood “Saturday night.”

We find that men in the New Testament times were paid daily. It was a good question to converted ex-pagans whether they ought to wait until Friday to see how much money that had left over for offerings.

But Paul didn’t leave generosity to chance. We are to honor God with the first-fruit of our increase. And so Paul instructed the believers to “lay” up in “store” from the very “first day of the week.” Some reading this have thought that an offering was taken on the first day of the week. But a simple reading of 1Co 16:2 will show that the offering was stored with each individual in view of a future collection.

These three incidents, along with Christ’s resurrection, are the entirety of the New Testament references to the “first day of the week.” It is never called anything more special than that. And this contrasts with the Holy Sabbath which is named 55 times in the New Testament (compare to 61 in the Old--a much larger body of Scripture).

There is no Biblical evidence that the Sabbath has been changed. And in view of the fact that it was given before sin entered the world, in view of the fact that it was written in stone, in view of the fact that it says “remember”, and in view of many other facts, there is no reason to conclude that it has been changed by the Creator.
 
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The last 6 are questionable and may be imposters not validly elected and these apologies are a red flag pointing in that direction
Am I understanding you correctly? You are here defending the authority of the Catholic church, and you believe the last six popes could actually be fakes?