Where does the Bible say...

[BarneyFife]

Mary's queenship doesn't detract from Christ's kingship in ANY way. Nor does it put Him in "2nd place" - any more than Bahsheba's queenship put her son Solomon's kingship in "2nd place".

Exodus 20
3“You shall have no other gods before me.

4“You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Yeah, just like Donald Trump's tweets have nothing to do with his fitness to rule.

They're just a clever way of getting around the Leftist media without being edited.
They have nothing to do with his "fitness" to preside over the country. Just shows how smart he is.

As for the subject of Papal Infallibility - you shouldn't try to debate about something that you don't have a grasp of . . .

 

[BarneyFife]

As for the subject of Papal Infallibility - you shouldn't try to debate about something that you don't have a grasp of . . .

I understand what you're saying about Papal Infallibility. I'm just not buying it. There's the official position. And then there's reality.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Exodus 20
3“You shall have no other gods before me.

4“You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.

When somebody prays in front of an image - they are not "worshipping" the image.
It is merely a reminder - the same as a crucifix of statue of Christ.

I see Protestant ministers ALL the time, holding up Bibles and screaming at the camera. I completely understand that they are not "worshipping" a book - but are USING it for teaching and prayer.

That's what "Idolatry" is, Einstein - the WORSHIP of someone or something as a god.

 

[BarneyFife]

They're just a clever way of getting around the Leftist media without being edited.
They have nothing to do with his "fitness" to preside over the country. Just shows how smart he is.

If you believe that, I've got some oceanfront property in Arizona that might interest you.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I understand what you're saying about Papal Infallibility. I'm just not buying it. There's the official position. And then there's reality.

YOU just don't understand it - and THAT is the reality . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

If you believe that, I've got some oceanfront property in Arizona that might interest you.

I would be more than happy to debate you on the Great President Trump on another thread.
However - I won't let you hijack THIS thread . . .

 

[BarneyFife]

When somebody prays in front of an image - they are not "worshipping" the image.
It is merely a reminder - the same as a crucifix of statue of Christ.

I see Protestant ministers ALL the time, holding up Bibles and screaming at the camera. I completely understand that they are not "worshipping" a book - but are USING it for teaching and prayer.

That's what "Idolatry" is, Einstein - the WORSHIP of someone or something as a god.

We're name-calling now? I wondered how long that would take.

Merry Christmas

 

[BreadOfLife]

We're name-calling now? I wondered how long that would take.

Merry Christmas

Hey - I called you "Einstein".
In SOME circles, that's a compliment.

Merry Christmas.

 

[BarneyFife]

I would be more than happy to debate you on the Great President Trump on another thread.
However - I won't let you hijack THIS thread . . .

No worries; not interested.

 

[BreadOfLife]

No worries; not interested.

Or equipped . . .

 

[BarneyFife]

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[mjrhealth]

xo_7:14 And the LORD said unto Moses, Pharaoh's heart is hardened, he refuseth to let the people go.

No point in arguing, we know what the bible says about that

 

[Marymog]

I, on the other hand, hold fast to the "traditions" that are in I and II Thess. as taught by Paul, as already shown to you.

2Th_2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

Which means that the "traditions" are repeated in "our [Paul's, &c] Epistle", and was also taught likewise orally, just as in Acts 15. They sent oral teachers, and an letter which taught the exact same thing as the prophets being sent. Notice, that these "traditions" were actually taught at that time to the Thessalonians. Not some hundreds years later. It's in the Epistles, I and II Thess.

Thus the difference between us.

Thank you. So your theory is that Paul is telling them to hold fast to oral tradition and written tradition even though the oral tradition is already written which means it really isn't a oral tradition it is a written tradition.....at least that is how I understand your theory.

Merry Christmas....Mary

 

[Marymog]

'pope' John XXII taught:

"... But in another instance, as Protestants never tired in pointing out, mortalism had been championed by no less an authority than Pope John XXII (1249-1334). ..." - Psychopannychism in Renaissance Europe by C. A. Patrides, page 229 - Psychopannychism in Renaissance Europe on JSTOR

"... For Pope John XXII. made himself very obnoxious by reviving, as it is said by Dupin, the opinion of the ancient Fathers, that the souls of good men do not enjoy the beatific vision till the day of judgment. He was very strenuous in asserting and preaching this doctrine, contrary to the judgment of the divines at Paris, who the king of France assembled for that purpose..." - Disquisitions Relating To Matter And Spirit: To Which Is Added The History Of The Philosophical Doctrine Concerning The Origin Of The Soul, And The Nature Of Matter; With It Influence On Christianity, Especially With Respect To The Doctrine Of The Preexistence Of Christ, By Joseph Priestly, LL.D. F.R.S., Vol. I., The Second Edition, Improved And Enlarged, Birmingham, Printed By Pearson And Rollason, For J, Johnson, No. 72, St. Paul's Church-Yard, LONDON, MDCCLXXXII (1782)., page 275 - Disquisitions Relating to Matter and Spirit
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Did he err? If not, why then did the next 'pope' issue a statement to 'correct' the issue. Why is there a 'phantastic story' of 'pope' John XXII recanting on his death bed??? (Which is utter nonsense.)

Not sure what this has to do with traditions taught by The Church.....

Merry Christmas....Mary

 

[Marymog]

Yes--the traditions taught in the Bible.

Hi B5,

Good for you. Holding fast to the written traditions!! Which is your favorite tradition from the Bible that you hold?

Merry Christmas....Mary

 

[Marymog]

If I wanted to demean you I could do a lot worse that offer a reflection of the smilie you inserted in your own post. This one...

Dear Backlit,

The key word in my sentence was "try". I should be clear here: No matter how nasty you get in your words you will never, ever be able to demean me or get me angry or hurt my feelings etc etc. So please, keep responding to me from your heart so we can all see your true nature.

Merry Christmas....Mary

 

[Brakelite]

Dear Backlit,

The key word in my sentence was "try". I should be clear here: No matter how nasty you get in your words you will never, ever be able to demean me or get me angry or hurt my feelings etc etc. So please, keep responding to me from your heart so we can all see your true nature.

Merry Christmas....Mary

You are beginning to sound like the extreme left wing activists finding fault where there is none.
If you addressed the actual points made in the conversation instead of going on to a tangent of personality and character assassination we all might make some progress.

 

[BarneyFife]

Hi B5,

Good for you. Holding fast to the written traditions!! Which is your favorite tradition from the Bible that you hold?

Merry Christmas....Mary

Definitely the Sabbath--and by extension Communion Sabbath

Merry Christmas!!!

B5, that's cute. :)

 

[Marymog]

Definitely the Sabbath--and by extension Communion Sabbath

Merry Christmas!!!

B5, that's cute. :)

Hi B5,

I hope your not offended by my use of "B5". I meant no harm...just shorter to write.

The Sabbath is a rule or commandment for the Jews. Are you Jewish?

Mary