Where does the Bible say...

[Marymog]

You are beginning to sound like the extreme left wing activists finding fault where there is none.
If you addressed the actual points made in the conversation instead of going on to a tangent of personality and character assassination we all might make some progress.

Lovely....Keep it up.....I see your true heart.

 

[BarneyFife]

Hi B5,

I hope your not offended by my use of "B5". I meant no harm...just shorter to write.

The Sabbath is a rule or commandment for the Jews. Are you Jewish?

Mary

No offense taken at all.

Inwardly, yes, I am a Jew (Romans 2:28-29). But there was no such thing as a Jew when the Sabbath was instituted.

As Pope John Paul II said in Article 11 of his Apostolic Letter of 1998:

"Shabbat": the Creator's joyful rest
If the first page of the Book of Genesis presents God's "work" as an example for man, the same is true of God's "rest": "On the seventh day God finished his work which he had done" (Gn 2:2). -- Dies Domini

Dies Domini (May 31, 1998) | John Paul II

 

[Marymog]

No offense taken at all.

Inwardly, yes, I am a Jew (Romans 2:28-29). But there was no such thing as a Jew when the Sabbath was instituted.

As Pope John Paul II said in Article 11 of his Apostolic Letter of 1998:

"Shabbat": the Creator's joyful rest
If the first page of the Book of Genesis presents God's "work" as an example for man, the same is true of God's "rest": "On the seventh day God finished his work which he had done" (Gn 2:2). -- Dies Domini

Dies Domini (May 31, 1998) | John Paul II

Thank You B5.

If you feel you must follow the Jewish Sabbath then follow it. As for me I will follow Scripture and let no man judge me on what sabbath I keep and continue to worship Him on the Day of The Lord, Sunday, just like the NT Christians did.

Mary

PS....You did not fully quote JP2 but that’s ok....you FEEL like you have a victory....hold tight to that feeling.

 

[Brakelite]

the Jewish Sabbath

There's no such thing as Jewish Sabbath Mary. and if this were true...

As for me I will follow Scripture

You would understand the following scripture...
Mt 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
Mr 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
Lu 6:5 And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Even in the very 4th Commandment itself, God by His own mouth declared whose Sabbath it was Mary, and it wasn't the Jews...
Ex 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God...

The Sabbath is the true Lord's Day Mary. Sunday is a day that belongs solely to the church as a tradition handed down from men who were compromising truth. Even your own church theologians admit that if one was to follow scripture as you claim, then one ought to be keeping the 7th day holy...not the first day.

Q. Have you any other proofs that they(Protestants) are not guided by the Scripture?

A. Yes; so many, that we cannot admit more than a mere specimen into this small work. They reject much that is clearly contained in Scripture, and profess more that is nowhere discoverable in that Divine Book.

Q. Give some examples of both?

A. They should, if the Scripture were their only rule, wash the feet of one another, according to the command of Christ, in the 13th chap. of St. John; —they should keep, not the Sunday, but the Saturday, according to the commandment, "Remember thou keep holy the Sabbath-day;" for this commandment has not, in Scripture, been changed or abrogated;...
—Rev. Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism; New York in 1857, page 101 Imprimatuer

 

[Enoch111]

The Sabbath is the true Lord's Day Mary.

If the Sabbath was the true Lord's Day, then John would have simply said "the sabbath". But he used a unique special technical term for a different day, because it was the first day of the week ("the morrow after the sabbath") reserved for the Lord's Supper, as well as for Christian worship in Spirit and in truth. Hence "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day" (Rev 1:10).

 

[Brakelite]

If the Sabbath was the true Lord's Day, then John would have simply said "the sabbath". But he used a unique special technical term for a different day, because it was the first day of the week ("the morrow after the sabbath") reserved for the Lord's Supper, as well as for Christian worship in Spirit and in truth. Hence "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day" (Rev 1:10).

And on that flimsy piece of evidence a commandment is set aside in favour of tradition and almost the whole Protestant world surrenders to Catholic authority on the mater.

 

[Brakelite]

If the Sabbath was the true Lord's Day, then John would have simply said "the sabbath". But he used a unique special technical term for a different day, because it was the first day of the week ("the morrow after the sabbath") reserved for the Lord's Supper, as well as for Christian worship in Spirit and in truth. Hence "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day" (Rev 1:10).

If you were a true Protestant, upholding scripture and scripture alone, you wouldn't be resorting to your own commentary to support your doctrine. You would be allowing the Bible to interpret itself, as I showed in my post to Mary #664.

 

[mjrhealth]

If you were a true Protestant, upholding scripture and scripture alone, you wouldn't be resorting to your own commentary to support your doctrine. You would be allowing the Bible to interpret itself, as I showed in my post to Mary #664.

What ever happened to trusting Jesus.

Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
Heb 4:5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
Heb 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
Heb 4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
Heb 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Some never will.

 

[Brakelite]

What ever happened to trusting Jesus.

Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
Heb 4:5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
Heb 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
Heb 4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
Heb 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Some never will.

How can you claim to be trusting in Jesus when you don't believe or obey what He said? "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth from the mouth of God". Matthew 4:4

And God spake all these words saying...
"Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy..." Exodus 20.

PS Good to see you back MJR

 

[mjrhealth]

How can you claim to be trusting in Jesus when you don't believe or obey what He said? "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth from the mouth of God". Matthew 4:4

And God spake all these words saying...
"Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy..." Exodus 20.

We are obedient through faith it is only the religious that need to "prove", but in there "proving "they are disobedient. Religion is all about you, faith is all about Christ.

Yes im back dont know how long and its still the same mess., Same people same religions same arguments , thank God He is patient with Men, but He set a time ,and that is coming to its end.

 

[mjrhealth]

@Backlit And no I wont be bothering you anymore, you have chosen your path and you must deal with the consequence. Jesus has seperated the wheat from the Tares, those that are His from those who are not, He has being calling men to Himself for years, but few have responded preferring there religions and there doing to following after Him, so now the end must come and few will be ready, just like the foolish Virgins. ISrael another election in March could be the end of it all.

 

[amadeus]

What ever happened to trusting Jesus.

Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
Heb 4:5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
Heb 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
Heb 4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
Heb 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

"Surely I will not come into the tabernacle of my house, nor go up into my bed;
I will not give sleep to mine eyes, or slumber to mine eyelids,
Until I find out a place for the LORD, an habitation for the mighty God of Jacob." Psalm 132:3-5


"For the LORD hath chosen Zion; he hath desired it for his habitation.
This is my rest for ever: here will I dwell; for I have desired it." Psalm 132:13-14

"Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me." John 17:20-23

"Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls." Matt 11:28-29

 

[BarneyFife]

As for me I will follow Scripture and let no man judge me on what sabbath to keep

Me too.

and continue to worship Him on the Day of The Lord, Sunday, just like the NT Christians did.

But they didn't.

You did not fully quote JP2 but that’s ok

How much should I have quoted? He says that the institution of weekly rest began at creation. That would make it pre-Jewish, would it not?

you FEEL like you have a victory

What victory? I wasn't aware we were contesting for anything. My mandate is helping to prepare a people for the Second Coming of Christ.

hold tight to that feeling.

I'm not here for an endorphin rush, either. Are you?

 

[theefaith]

Then if they are outside the church, what right does the church have in inciting violence against them?

The state not the church is the one that executes justice

 

[theefaith]

Are you serious? You ask me for evidence for one of the most verifiaby established facts of religious history that even friends of the Catholic Church wouldn't gainsay? What have the last 3 or 4 Popes been apologising for?

The last 6 are questionable and may be imposters not validly elected and these apologies are a red flag pointing in that direction

 

[theefaith]

There is only one authority, and that is Christ, but there are many usurpers of that authority, the whole religious system is in rebellion against Christ, that makes it all Anti Christ.

Christ sent apostles to administer His kingdom

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

 

[theefaith]

There is only one authority, and that is Christ, but there are many usurpers of that authority, the whole religious system is in rebellion against Christ, that makes it all Anti Christ.

Perhaps you can tell me what is the one true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles and their successors?

 

[mjrhealth]

Perhaps you can tell me what is the one true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles and their successors?

No I couldnt because there isnt one, I would have to lie and agree with you. There is only one true church and it isnt a building, it has Christ at the head, and He is there teacher.

This part

Act 7:48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
Act 7:49 Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?
Act 7:50 Hath not my hand made all these things?
Act 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
Act 7:52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:

Some things just never change

 

[mjrhealth]

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!

Mar 10:42 But Jesus called them to him, and saith unto them, Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise authority upon them.
Mar 10:43 But so shall it not be among you: but whosoever will be great among you, shall be your minister:
Mar 10:44 And whosoever of you will be the chiefest, shall be servant of all.
Mar 10:45 For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

But oh how men love to rule over men, and men love to be slaves to men.

 

[theefaith]

No I couldnt because there isnt one, I would have to lie and agree with you. There is only one true church and it isnt a building, it has Christ at the head, and He is there teacher.

This part

Act 7:48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
Act 7:49 Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?
Act 7:50 Hath not my hand made all these things?
Act 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
Act 7:52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:

Some things just never change

There must be one true church founded on Peter and the apostles and their successors

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

Teaching authority of the Apostles and their successors in the church founded in the one true founded by Jesus Christ!

Jesus Christ is the head of the church, (eph 5:23) the body of Christ,
(col 1:18) the new and eternal covenant, (pre-figured Jer 31:31) (Heb 8:8) new covenant replaces the Mosaic covenant, (Heb 8:13) Christ replaces David as king, (Lk 1:32-33) Jesus Christ is the only mediator between God and men, (1 Tim 2:5 & Heb 12:24) but a mediator remains on earth mediating between God and His people, but Christ ascended to heaven, (acts 1) before He did He founded His church, on Peter, and the apostles, and their successors!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 2:42 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 16:13
Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

We must be taught by Peter, the apostles, and their successors! Lk 10:16 Matt 28:19 Jn 21:17

Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Lk 1:4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.

Acts 8:30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?

31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

Col 2:7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.


Jn 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.