Where does the Bible say...

[theefaith]

Where does the Bible authorize you to be Protestant? Or rebellious to the one true church? The true Christian is faithful obedient and submissive to proper authority

 

[Brakelite]

heretics can never be considered Christian in the 1st place

all Jews, heretics, schismatics, and apostates are outside the church, seperated from salvation

Then if they are outside the church, what right does the church have in inciting violence against them?

 

[Brakelite]

these were synods (local) and not councils (universal)

And the fact STILL remains that preaching a personal belief in his sermons is NOT the same as officially declaring something as doctrinal and binding on the laity.

There must be a movie made somewhere depicting the many thousands of fortunate men and women who with their lawyers were able to raise a successful defense during the inquisition on the basis that their behavior only transgressed local synod decisions and not general councils.

 

[Brakelite]

no evidence for that?

Are you serious? You ask me for evidence for one of the most verifiaby established facts of religious history that even friends of the Catholic Church wouldn't gainsay? What have the last 3 or 4 Popes been apologising for?

 

[Paul Christensen]

Is your signature that which you read and re-read in order to one day hope your personality will one day achieve that detailed discipline when addressing people in discussion forums?
Excerpted Source: Catholic Encyclopedia ~ Council of Trent

"....The Ecumenical Council of Trent has proved to be of the greatest importance for the development of the inner life of the Church. No council has ever had to accomplish its task under more serious difficulties, none has had so many questions of the greatest importance to decide. The assembly proved to the world that notwithstanding repeated apostasy in church life there still existed in it an abundance of religious force and of loyal championship of the unchanging principles of Christianity. Although unfortunately the council, through no fault of the fathers assembled, was not able to heal the religious differences of western Europe, yet the infallible Divine truth was clearly proclaimed in opposition to the false doctrines of the day, and in this way a firm foundation was laid for the overthrow of heresy and the carrying out of genuine internal reform in the Church." [end excerpt]

The Councils of Trent and Vatican II are still in effect today.That one factor highlighted in red, is that factor that makes what the “infallible” councils of Bishops of the Council of Trent pronounced as anathemas immutable.

Immutable definition, not mutable; unchangeable; changeless. See more.


Edit to add, Council of Trent.

The problem is that the church that subscribes to the Council of Trent is a paganised, fraudulent cult, infested with homosexuality at the highest levels. There will be JWs and Mormons who will get to heaven before this crowd.

 

[mjrhealth]

Where does the Bible authorize you to be Protestant? Or rebellious to the one true church? The true Christian is faithful obedient and submissive to proper authority

There is only one authority, and that is Christ, but there are many usurpers of that authority, the whole religious system is in rebellion against Christ, that makes it all Anti Christ.

 

[ReChoired]

This is yet another case of a man espousing a heretical view

That's good enough. Thank you. Understood.

 

[ReChoired]

anti-Catholics

Anti-Catholicism (theology, practice/belief/system), not anti-catholic (person).

 

[Perception matters]

If you claim His Spirit lives in you, why would you turn to men who wrote books, and claimed to be spirit filled, to know what he says?

it doesn’t say, the word became flesh, then turned into paper and ink.

 

[BreadOfLife]

There must be a movie made somewhere depicting the many thousands of fortunate men and women who with their lawyers were able to raise a successful defense during the inquisition on the basis that their behavior only transgressed local synod decisions and not general councils.

Apparently, you don't know much aboiut the Inquisitions.
Being matters of the state - they sought to clear people of false accusations as much as they did to weed out enemies of the state.

 

[BreadOfLife]

That's good enough. Thank you. Understood.

Soooooo, when a Protestant minister believes or practices something unsavory - does that mean that he officially TEACHES it to his flock?

Did Ted Haggard teach his flock to smoke meth with gay male prostitutes - or was it his OWN sin?
How about Jimmy Swaggart and Jim Bakker? How about the THOUSANDS accused of child molestation in the Protestant sects?

YOUR problem is that because of your incredible self-righteousness - you try to turn personal opinion or sin into a Church-wide doctrinal matter - when it suits YOU.

Anti-Catholicism (theology, practice/belief/system), not anti-catholic (person).

No - it's BOTH.

 

[amadeus]

There is only one authority, and that is Christ, but there are many usurpers of that authority, the whole religious system is in rebellion against Christ, that makes it all Anti Christ.

Hello old friend! Good to see you back here again!

"But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God." I Cor 11:3

"Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular" I Cor 12:27

The Church, ,the Body. I believe is that woman over which man is the head and Christ is the Head of the man. The woman, as the Church, includes males and females in the flesh who have become or are becoming part of the Body of Christ. None of them are the Head!

The Church consists of the silent part of the Body of Christ [physical men and women] headed up by the Head, which is Jesus. Jesus is ready to take his place, to rest himself as the Head on His Body, which should be you and me.

But before he was ready he said,

"...The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head." Matt 8:20

The resting place of His Head is His Body, which is, or should be, you and me!

The woman should indeed remain silent while the anointed One, the one preaching or teaching or otherwise ministering is putting forth the Word and/or blessings of God to those who are paying attention...hopefully with ears to hear:

"He that hath ears to hear, let him hear." Matt 11:15

 

[BreadOfLife]

The problem is that the church that subscribes to the Council of Trent is a paganised, fraudulent cult, infested with homosexuality at the highest levels. There will be JWs and Mormons who will get to heaven before this crowd.

Ahhhhh, so I take it there are NO homosexuals or child molestors in the "highest levels" oif any Protestant sect?
Gee - could'a fooled me . . .
Ted Haggard and His Wife Talk About the Gay Sex Scandal

Evangelicals ‘worse’ than Catholics on sexual abuse

Evangelical Sex Abuse Record ‘Worse’ Than Catholic, Says Billy Graham’s Grandson

Protestant Churches Grapple With Growing Sexual Abuse Crisis : NPR

Protestants can no longer dismiss abuse as a ‘Catholic problem’

Child Sex Abuse More Prevalent Among Protestants Than Among Catholics

There Is More Sexual Abuse In The Protestant Churches Than Catholic

The problem with elitists like YOU is that you project personal sin onto an entire Church.
You'd better PRAY that God doesn't do that to YOU and YOUR sect . . .

 

[Brakelite]

The problem with elitists like YOU is that you project personal sin onto an entire Church.
You'd better PRAY that God doesn't do that to YOU and YOUR sect . . .

Good did precisely that with Israel. That the entire nation suffered because of Achan is but one example of many. Why shouldn't He deal with the church the same way?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Good did precisely that with Israel. That the entire nation suffered because of Achan is but one example of many. Why shouldn't He deal with the church the same way?

Do you believe that YOUR salvation hangs on the behavior or personal opinions of the person sitting next to you in church - or the guy preaching the sermon?
If you do - then you disagree with about 99.999% of ALL Christians.

 

[BarneyFife]

Do you believe that YOUR salvation hangs on the behavior or personal opinions of the person sitting next to you in church - or the guy preaching the sermon?

No, that's a Catholic belief.

People are influenced by each other, though. That's hardly arguable.

If you do - then you disagree with about 99.999% of ALL Christians.

Why would anyone be interested in what 99.999% of all Christians believe? When it comes to matters of faith, the majority have always been wrong. Out of roughly 2 million Hebrews, only 2 made it into the promised land. 99.9999% of them were unworthy. The faithful have always been vastly outnumbered by apostates.

 

[BarneyFife]

The problem with elitists like YOU is that you project personal sin onto an entire Church.

This is a lie and you know it. Practically no one in true Protestantism believes this. Some of my most valued and devout friends are Godly Catholics. It's the accuser of the brethren that points the finger at people. Calling a belief system to account is labeled "offense." It's as old a game as it was with Wycliffe and Hus.

 

[BreadOfLife]

No, that's a Catholic belief.

No - that's a LIE.
The Catholic Church has never taught this.

Lying about what Catholics teach makes you an anti-Catholic.
Congratulations.

People are influenced by each other, though. That's hardly arguable.

That doesn't make YOU less responsible for your salvation OR damnation.

Why would anyone be interested in what 99.999% of all Christians believe? When it comes to matters of faith, the majority have always been wrong. Out of roughly 2 million Hebrews, only 2 made it into the promised land. 99.9999 of them were unworthy. The faithful have always been vastly outnumbered by apostates.

And if YOU believe that other people are responsible for YOUR salvation or damnation - then YOU don't know God's Word . . .

2 Cor. 5:10
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what HE HAS DONE in the body, whether good or evil.

Rev. 20:13
And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and THEY were judged, each one of them, according to what THEY had done.

 

[BreadOfLife]

This is a lie and you know it. Practically no one in true Protestantism believes this. Some of my most valued and devout friends are Godly Catholics. It's the accuser of the brethren that points the finger at people. Calling a belief system to account is labeled "offense." It's as old a game as it was with Wycliffe and Hus.

You call this a "Lie" - and yet you DEFEND this belief in post #616.

Your hypocrisy knows NO bounds . . .

 

[BarneyFife]

You call this a "Lie" - and yet you DEFEND this belief in post #616.

Your hypocrisy knows NO bounds . . .

And your imagination borders on hallucination.