Ferris Bueller
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Well, that's what I thought. But maybe he didn't leave to embrace rituals, but rather more correct theology.
The Eternal Security Heresy: A Comprehensive Refutation of OSAS
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Well, where he went involves a lot of ritual and works-related practices.
Ferris Bueller
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Which is why we need to get off the eternal security kick. It makes people who aren't really saved think they are saved. You need to go the route of the Bible. It emphasizes producing the fruit and proof of your salvation.
Ferris Bueller
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It does, but I can now see him putting up with that in the name of identifying with more correct doctrine. But who knows why he left and went there. He's not saying. So this may all be just needless speculation.
I do think 2 Peter 1.10: "Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall" is entirely consistent with a Biblical view of eternal security.
Ferris Bueller
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Yes, it is. But it's also entirely consistent with a view of loss of salvation. If you so desire to align that way. That's why I say it's more important to talk about and focus on the important stuff. Whether or not you can lose your salvation is not an important focus. Because, either way, the command to make your calling and election sure stands irregardless. As long as you're making your calling and election sure by doing works you can be wrong about whether or not a person can lose their salvation. It doesn't matter to the person who is in obedience to the scriptures and is actively making his or her calling and election sure by living in obedience to God.
If someone supposedly loses it, s/he never had it. John 3.16's eternal life is not eternal if it stops.
Ferris Bueller
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Okay, so how do you make sure you got it, then? Live your faith, that's how. See? The argument is pretty useless. Just focus on obeying God like we're supposed to. Then the question of if you can lose your salvation becomes pretty worthless and a waste of time. It's really just a distraction from what really matters.
We are unlikely to agree on this. By faith, by His grace, I rest on what He has done, not on what I may or may not do. (Hebrews chapters 9 and 10).
Ferris Bueller
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Disagree on what? That it doesn't matter one way or the other if you believe you can lose your salvation, just as long as you are actively living for Christ, making your calling and election sure? Because that's the only position I've set forth. Like i say, the argument one way or the other for once saved always saved is a hideous distraction to what really matters in Christianity.
I believe it does matter. Does it show who we are really depending on: us or Him?
Ferris Bueller
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So the person preoccupied with being forever saved falls into dead faith and doesn't realize he's not saved. While the person preoccupied with not being forever saved falls into a works earn salvation relationship with God and doesn't realize he's not saved either. But if everyone just ditched the dumb argument and did what the Bible tells us to do (purposely seek to do the things that shows you really are saved) we would not have this problem. People who are able to do the things that show they are saved find comfort and peace and assurance in their salvation, and those who can't do the things that show they are saved (because they don't have the Spirit) can then get saved.
You are the one claiming that you get a free pass on the basis of Christ's sacrifice .. your way is already paid for .. according to you. Just have faith .. and you pass on through the gates .. no judgement required.
Is this not your position ?
Nice Post - .. as written in Proverbs and Ecclesiastes -- Seek knowledge and wisdom . one needs to seek it .. we all fail along the way .. but as long as one keeps seeking .. and accepting correction when one does fail .. you will do just fine.
One does not need to pro-actively go out and find good things to do .. all though all the power and my support to those who can .. we are not all called to be Nuns.. but, if only one can avoid doing nasty things to others - "less often :) " .. the world would be a better place
BarneyFife
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He also has the prerogative to do as He pleases with any and all of His creation, as much as it may displease skeptics. This kind of scoffery is what emerges when man places his own reasoning powers above the authority of God's word. The Bible is not (contrary to popular belief) a buffet. Textual critics make God in their own image. It is inevitable.
BarneyFife
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The drops of blood that fell from Christ's forehead was a real medical condition called Hematidrosis--the result of an overloaded frontal lobe--as He was beginning to bear the weight of the sin of the world.
Hematidrosis? from WebMD
Was a later addition to the text "interpolation" .. a well known one .. does not exist in earlier texts .. like the long ending of Mark.. although that was a bigger addition to the text.
You are not dealing truthfully with my post so respectfully I decline further discussion with you on this matter.
Quit the reverse dear Watson - tis you who can not handle "The Truth" .. Faith alone is a flawed doctrine .. and "Faith Alone" and Grace are two separate things/concepts .. often conflated as one.
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