JESUS, the Holy Spirit, the Only True God.

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

first thanks for the reply.

to put this in Layman terms, JESUS who is one person is the First, and is with, and also the Last, meaning the Ordinal First and Last. which this one person is G243 allos, meaning, "Allos expresses a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort"

simply put God is the diversity or the Equal "share" of himself in flesh. the plurality comes from his "sharing" himself in flesh. BINGO.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

What I see is you didn't say anything about how the hebrew word 'Elo•him' which is translated God isn't used as a Trinity as so many theologians and scholars have said for many years. That has been proven, you may not want to believe or agree with it, so be it. You can make the statement you made above it doesn't wash with me. What you think, believe or have to say about me doesn't matter to me.

 

[Heyzeus]

What I see is you didn't say anything about how the hebrew word 'Elo•him' which is translated God isn't used as a Trinity as so many theologians and scholars have said for many years. That has been proven, you may not want to believe or agree with it, so be it. You can make the statement you made above it doesn't wash with me. What you think, believe or have to say about me doesn't matter to me.

Thank You .. can't project a 20th century perspective of the folks who put Genesis together from various sources - in 500 BC - never mind the folks from where the source documents came .. dating back much further... and these folks simply did not read the text as some Trinity .. Trinity of any kind .. never mind the modern one with Jesus and some spirit all one godhead ..

The text was read as "US" .. and "OUR" as in more than one took part.

When we read of and sons of God .. children of the Supreme .. - these are the sons of the Most High - and everyone living in the near east at the time knows what "sons of God" is referring to. It is a shared religious culture in many ways .. El was at the top of Everyone's pantheon and El supposedly had 70 sons - some via consort Asherah no doubt .. Baal being on of the main one .. but there were many others..

Any religious scribe would know exactly what the script for "sons of God" meant .. referring to a specific logogram in pre history..
be it Assyrian, Babylonian, Cannanite , and so on .. Egyptian scribes could read Elamite - the language of commerce done in Cunaiform. Elamite being a language which lasted over 2500 years as the language of commerce in the near east .. and this is the ancestral language of the Israelites.

Everyone knows what this term means .. and so did the scribes who wiped some of this stuff out of the MT - Bible compiled from 700-900AD.
and so do scribes nowadays .. cause we found the old stuff that predated the MT .. by over 1000 years .. such as the LXX.

The Israelites were raging pagans for most of their history as recorded in the Bible .. and this is confirmed by archaeology and History ..

 

[101G]

What I see is you didn't say anything about how the hebrew word 'Elo•him' which is translated God isn't used as a Trinity as so many theologians and scholars have said for many years. That has been proven, you may not want to believe or agree with it, so be it. You can make the statement you made above it doesn't wash with me. What you think, believe or have to say about me doesn't matter to me.

GINOLJC, to all.
first, H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m. was never a trinity... but H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym is a "diversity", which you ignorantly cannot understand. but I'll explain below.

second, what I believe or anyone else believe is mine and their choice. and I can care less if anyone agrees with "ME" or not, I'm not in any contest for that. but what I state on diversity is up to them, because that's going to be between them and God, and every man is going to have to give an account for themselves. my JOB is to tell you the truth about the Godhead. so when you get before the Judge you cannot claim ignorance, that you never heard of "diversity", or Diversified Oneness before... YIKES!

third, I can care less if it wash with U or not, you're not my maker, nor my saviour, nor can you put me in heaven or hell or not. FYI, I been washed, and it was not by you or anyone else, by by God himself. so that, "it don't wash with me", so?....... well ....... it move me not.

last, what matters is this. I do my Job. and I do it gladly.....

so, bottom Line, what you have posted, we can take his as you have no credible response to what I posted? I thought so......

from now own leave your personal concerns in your pocket, just stick to the WORD of God for discussion... ok.

Now the Word of God, as this topic states, The LORD JESUS is the LORD, the ordinal First, who is the Holy Ghost, who is CREATOR and MAKER, all THINGS, and is alone and by himself in the OT, title Holder "Father". and, this SAME ONE GOD who is LORD is Lord, diversified in flesh as a man, the ordinal Last, Who is SAVIOUR, and REDEEMER, of all things, title Holder, "Son". this is done by being a diversity, or the equal share of himself in flesh, or as the Hebrew Word H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') clearly states a plurality of his ownself. BINGO.

see, when I put out a statement, I will back it up with scripture.

#1 as CREATOR and MAKER, title Father, and LORD. Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"

#2. as REDEEMER and SAVIOUR, title Son, and Lord. Isaiah 49:26 "And I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh; and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with sweet wine: and all flesh shall know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.".

Isaiah 54:5 "For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called."

Isaiah 63:16 "Doubtless thou art our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O LORD, art our father, our redeemer; thy name is from everlasting."


NT,
Luke 1:67 "And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,"
Luke 1:68 "Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,"

Galatians 3:13 "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:"Galatians 3:14 "That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith."

Titus 2:13 "Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;"

1 Peter 1:18 "Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;"
1 Peter 1:19 "But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:"


understand this, I put my scriptures where my Mouth is, I hope you do the same. instead of using your mouth to cry with excuses. but as the Holy Ghost said by the apostle w2hich is true, "you are without excuse".

so lets, from now own, stick to the scriptures and leave any personal feeling or opinions behind, and out of the discussion... thank you very much.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[Heyzeus]

GINOLJC, to all.
first, H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m. was never a trinity... but H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym is a "diversity", which you ignorantly cannot understand. but I'll explain below.

second, what I believe or anyone else believe is mine and their choice. and I can care less if anyone agrees with "ME" or not, I'm not in any contest for that. but what I state on diversity is up to them, because that's going to be between them and God, and every man is going to have to give an account for themselves. my JOB is to tell you the truth about the Godhead. so when you get before the Judge you cannot claim ignorance, that you never heard of "diversity", or Diversified Oneness before... YIKES!

third, I can care less if it wash with U or not, you're not my maker, nor my saviour, nor can you put me in heaven or hell or not. FYI, I been washed, and it was not by you or anyone else, by by God himself. so that, "it don't wash with me", so?....... well ....... it move me not.

last, what matters is this. I do my Job. and I do it gladly.....

so, bottom Line, what you have posted, we can take his as you have no credible response to what I posted? I thought so......

from now own leave your personal concerns in your pocket, just stick to the WORD of God for discussion... ok.

Now the Word of God, as this topic states, The LORD JESUS is the LORD, the ordinal First, who is the Holy Ghost, who is CREATOR and MAKER, all THINGS, and is alone and by himself in the OT, title Holder "Father". and, this SAME ONE GOD who is LORD is Lord, diversified in flesh as a man, the ordinal Last, Who is SAVIOUR, and REDEEMER, of all things, title Holder, "Son". this is done by being a diversity, or the equal share of himself in flesh, or as the Hebrew Word H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') clearly states a plurality of his ownself. BINGO.


PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

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1) You have no clue how the Godhead is structured and neither does anyone else
2) Quoting from Isaiah - claiming that it is somehow stating that Jesus is "The Father" - The Most High" is preposterous absurdity
3) You then quote from Pseudepigrapha while ignoring the Teachings of Jesus in the Gospels - as if this Pious fraud is superior to the teachings of Jesus.

 

[kcnalp]

Isaiah 48:12-17 (NKJV)
12 "Listen to Me, O Jacob, And Israel, My called: I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last. 13 Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth, And My right hand has stretched out the heavens; When I call to them, They stand up together. ...
16 "Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord GOD and His Spirit Have sent Me." 17 Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, The Holy One of Israel: "I am the LORD your God,

Amen Jesus, You are God!

 

[Heyzeus]

Isaiah 48:12-17 (NKJV)
12 "Listen to Me, O Jacob, And Israel, My called: I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last. 13 Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth, And My right hand has stretched out the heavens; When I call to them, They stand up together. ...
16 "Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord GOD and His Spirit Have sent Me." 17 Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, The Holy One of Israel: "I am the LORD your God,

Amen Jesus, You are God!

You are dreaming - the word "Lord" is not referring to Jesus - it is referring to God - The most high.

Isaiah says he was sent by God - endowed with his Spirit - Nothing in here relates in any way to Jesus.. you are making up nonsense and pretending it is true.

 

[101G]

You are dreaming - the word "Lord" is not referring to Jesus - it is referring to God - The most high.

Isaiah says he was sent by God - endowed with his Spirit - Nothing in here relates in any way to Jesus.. you are making up nonsense and pretending it is true.

Jesus is the Most High "Diversified in Flesh". well the First and the Last relates to Jesus, scripture, Revelation 1:17 "And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:"
Revelation 1:18 "I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death."

and when the term "First" is used here, it means, "coming before all others in time or order; earliest; 1st."

see that "Time" and "Order"....... listen to this, Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
BEGINNING: H7225 רֵאשִׁית re'shiyth (ray-sheeth') n-f.
1. the first, in place, time, order or rank.
2. (specifically) a firstfruit.
[from the same as H7218]
KJV: beginning, chief(-est), first(-fruits, part, time), principal thing.
Root(s): H7218

did you notice definition #1. "Time" and "Order". here JESUS, the Spirit, the Holy Spirit, without flesh, without bone, and without blood, is the ORDINAL "FIRST", alone, and byminself.

Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:"
ONE: H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj.
1. (properly) united, i.e. one.
2. (as an ordinal) first.
[a numeral from H258]
KJV: a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any(-thing), apiece, a certain, (dai-)ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.
Root(s): H258

JESUS, God, Spirit, is the ordinal First... "Father"... LORD all cap.

JESUS, God, Spirit, diversified in flesh .... ordinal Last, "Son", Lord.

Ray Charles can even see that.

one God, one person, Diversified.

An Ordinal Number is a number that tells the position of something in a list, such as 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th etc. here, first position, OT, alone and by himself. Last position, for there is no more Adams, for all are in him, the Last Adam.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[101G]

You are dreaming - the word "Lord" is not referring to Jesus - it is referring to God - The most high.

since you cannot see, who is the Lord God here?

Isaiah 48:16 "Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me."

so Heyzeus who was sent? your answer please. lets have a drum roll........... because I cain't wait to see this answer... (smile).

yes study long ... and Hard, and you still want get it. YIKES!

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[Heyzeus]

Jesus is the Most High "Diversified in Flesh". well the First and the Last relates to Jesus, scripture, Revelation 1:17 "And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:"
Revelation 1:18 "I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death."

and when the term "First" is used here, it means, "coming before all others in time or order; earliest; 1st."

see that "Time" and "Order"....... listen to this, Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
BEGINNING: H7225 רֵאשִׁית re'shiyth (ray-sheeth') n-f.
1. the first, in place, time, order or rank.
2. (specifically) a firstfruit.
[from the same as H7218]
KJV: beginning, chief(-est), first(-fruits, part, time), principal thing.
Root(s): H7218

did you notice definition #1. "Time" and "Order". here JESUS, the Spirit, the Holy Spirit, without flesh, without bone, and without blood, is the ORDINAL "FIRST", alone, and byminself.

Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:"
ONE: H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj.
1. (properly) united, i.e. one.
2. (as an ordinal) first.
[a numeral from H258]
KJV: a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any(-thing), apiece, a certain, (dai-)ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.
Root(s): H258

JESUS, God, Spirit, is the ordinal First... "Father"... LORD all cap.

JESUS, God, Spirit, diversified in flesh .... ordinal Last, "Son", Lord.

Ray Charles can even see that.

one God, one person, Diversified.

An Ordinal Number is a number that tells the position of something in a list, such as 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th etc. here, first position, OT, alone and by himself. Last position, for there is no more Adams, for all are in him, the Last Adam.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

You are in la la land .. of course Isaiah is talking about the one true God - referred to as "Lord" in the OT - this is not Jesus.
You are making things up.

 

[Heyzeus]

since you cannot see, who is the Lord God here?

Isaiah 48:16 "Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me."

so Heyzeus who was sent? your answer please. lets have a drum roll........... because I cain't wait to see this answer... (smile).

yes study long ... and Hard, and you still want get it. YIKES!

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

The spirit of the Lord dwelt within Isaiah - like all the prophets - "The LORD" in this sentence is not Jesus by any stretch of the imagination.

The Lord is the one True God - "The Most High" is who is being referred to. https://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/isa48.pdf

Note if you go to the Hebrew translation you have "My Lord Yahweh" The name is Yahweh - is given in the actual text .. modern texts will just shorten it to Lord .. or Lord God..

Now please stop this nonsense.

 

[101G]

You are in la la land .. of course Isaiah is talking about the one true God - referred to as "Lord" in the OT - this is not Jesus.
You are making things up.

well lets have a look see. scripture, Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:"

someone sent his angel to John correct, now the angel tells us who sent him. listen, Revelation 22:6 "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done."

the Lord God of the ...... holy prophets, now God have prophets in the OT as well as the NT, but clearly the angel was directing the attention to the OT prophets, which a many scholars said it was the OT prophets. so the Lord God is the OT God.

now you said that the ... and I quote,

You are in la la land .. of course Isaiah is talking about the one true God - referred to as "Lord" in the OT - this is not Jesus.
You are making things up.

well, lets see if what you said is true. lets see who is the Lord God is, for the angel said, "the Lord God of the holy prophets sent him".

OK Heyzeus we will let you read the scripture as to who it was by NAME who sent his angel... READ Revelation 22:16 and get back with me as to who it was that sent his angel... so Read Revelation 22:16....


so who is it? please post your answer.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

GINOLJC, to all.
first, H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m. was never a trinity... but H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym is a "diversity", which you ignorantly cannot understand. but I'll explain below.

second, what I believe or anyone else believe is mine and their choice. and I can care less if anyone agrees with "ME" or not, I'm not in any contest for that. but what I state on diversity is up to them, because that's going to be between them and God, and every man is going to have to give an account for themselves. my JOB is to tell you the truth about the Godhead. so when you get before the Judge you cannot claim ignorance, that you never heard of "diversity", or Diversified Oneness before... YIKES!

third, I can care less if it wash with U or not, you're not my maker, nor my saviour, nor can you put me in heaven or hell or not. FYI, I been washed, and it was not by you or anyone else, by by God himself. so that, "it don't wash with me", so?....... well ....... it move me not.

last, what matters is this. I do my Job. and I do it gladly.....

so, bottom Line, what you have posted, we can take his as you have no credible response to what I posted? I thought so......

from now own leave your personal concerns in your pocket, just stick to the WORD of God for discussion... ok.

Now the Word of God, as this topic states, The LORD JESUS is the LORD, the ordinal First, who is the Holy Ghost, who is CREATOR and MAKER, all THINGS, and is alone and by himself in the OT, title Holder "Father". and, this SAME ONE GOD who is LORD is Lord, diversified in flesh as a man, the ordinal Last, Who is SAVIOUR, and REDEEMER, of all things, title Holder, "Son". this is done by being a diversity, or the equal share of himself in flesh, or as the Hebrew Word H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') clearly states a plurality of his ownself. BINGO.

see, when I put out a statement, I will back it up with scripture.

#1 as CREATOR and MAKER, title Father, and LORD. Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"

#2. as REDEEMER and SAVIOUR, title Son, and Lord. Isaiah 49:26 "And I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh; and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with sweet wine: and all flesh shall know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.".

Isaiah 54:5 "For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called."

Isaiah 63:16 "Doubtless thou art our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O LORD, art our father, our redeemer; thy name is from everlasting."


NT,
Luke 1:67 "And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,"
Luke 1:68 "Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,"

Galatians 3:13 "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:"Galatians 3:14 "That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith."

Titus 2:13 "Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;"

1 Peter 1:18 "Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;"
1 Peter 1:19 "But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:"


understand this, I put my scriptures where my Mouth is, I hope you do the same. instead of using your mouth to cry with excuses. but as the Holy Ghost said by the apostle w2hich is true, "you are without excuse".

so lets, from now own, stick to the scriptures and leave any personal feeling or opinions behind, and out of the discussion... thank you very much.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

I will continue to tell people you're teaching an Antichrist Doctrine as long as you and others continue to teach the Trinity cause it is an Antichrist Doctrine. This Doctrine has taught not that it was The Only Begotten Son of God that became human and came and died for the World of Mankind and resurrected three days later. Instead the Trinity teaches that it was God who became human and came to the World of Mankind therefore denying it was the Only Begotten Son who became human and came to The World of Mankind. The scriptures clearly teach that it was The Only Begotten Son of God that came to The World of Mankind and anyone exercising faith in that will get eternal life.

 

[Heyzeus]

well lets have a look see. scripture, Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:"

"

How about we finish with Isaiah - the scripture you completely bastardized - claiming the use of the word "Lord" meant Jesus .. which was complete - unabashed nonsense. The passage had ZERO reference to Jesus - and as it turned out .. even identifies YHWH by name - which crushed your position.

Now you want to move to Revelations - forget all about the last disaster - Revelations.. should never have been made Cannon .. but I do like it as a prophetic work - but one with much imagery and symbolism..

NOT - on par - nor to be taken as seriously as the Synoptic Gospels .. the gospels you are desperate to avoid , Because the Jesus of the Synoptics contradicts your claim that Jesus is the Most High.. "The Father" -

One in spirit with the Father .. OK .. but distinct autonomous and separate brains/entities - albeit connected to the same source.

and now you have witnessed the only way to resolve the contradiction of Trinity doctrine.

 

[kcnalp]

You are dreaming - the word "Lord" is not referring to Jesus - it is referring to God - The most high.

Isaiah says he was sent by God - endowed with his Spirit - Nothing in here relates in any way to Jesus.. you are making up nonsense and pretending it is true.

Guess you missed this part:
"And now the Lord GOD and His Spirit Have sent Me." 17 Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, The Holy One of Israel: "I am the LORD your God,"

 

[Heyzeus]

Guess you missed this part:
"And now the Lord GOD and His Spirit Have sent Me." 17 Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, The Holy One of Israel: "I am the LORD your God,"

Yup .. its called the Spirit of the Lord .. as in The spirit of Yahweh -- the spirit that moved the prophets.. this had nothing what so ever to do with Jesus...

Stop this wild goose hunt .. desperately searching the far reaches of the universe for some nugget that will support your claim that Jesus was "The Most High" ..

Why would you do this when you can go to Jesus .. listen to what Jesus has to say on the subject = he is not the Father. Separate entity - but unified in spirit .. the same spirit that went out to Isaiah and the prophets.

 

[kcnalp]

Yup .. its called the Spirit of the Lord .. as in The spirit of Yahweh -- the spirit that moved the prophets.. this had nothing what so ever to do with Jesus...

"the Lord GOD and His Spirit Have sent Me" ... "I am the LORD your God,"
Then who is it? The Lord God sent the Lord God. Has to be Jesus!

Stop this wild goose hunt .. desperately searching the far reaches of the universe for some nugget that will support your claim that Jesus was "The Most High" ..

Why would you do this when you can go to Jesus .. listen to what Jesus has to say on the subject = he is not the Father. Separate entity - but unified in spirit .. the same spirit that went out to Isaiah and the prophets.

I'm still waiting for you to answer if you believe any of the Bible is the written Word of God. The silence is deafening.

 

[Heyzeus]

"the Lord GOD and His Spirit Have sent Me" ... "I am the LORD your God,"
Then who is it? The Lord God sent the Lord God. Has to be Jesus!

I'm still waiting for you to answer if you believe any of the Bible is the written Word of God. The silence is deafening.

Oh my God -- no it doesn't have to be Jesus .. In the OT there is God .. and there is his Spirit OK .. just like we still have the Sprit today .. same dude .. and it isn't Jesus .. Trinity .. Remember .. 3 distinct persons .. 3 minds - 3 entities .. but united in spirit..

but they did not have such a Trinity in Isaiah's day -- Isaiah is talking about how he was sent by God .. and that Gods spirit is within him (which is how other versions of this passage are translated) .. either way .. it is not Jesus that Isaiah is referring to .

 

[Heyzeus]

I'm still waiting for you to answer if you believe any of the Bible is the written Word of God. The silence is deafening.

I answered you a number of times - mentioning specific scripture - have you lost your memory ?

 

[kcnalp]

Oh my God -- no it doesn't have to be Jesus .. In the OT there is God ..

Yes and He appeared in person to His people. The Father didn't. "No man has seen God". It was Jesus.

and there is his Spirit OK .. just like we still have the Sprit today .. same dude .. and it isn't Jesus .. Trinity .. Remember .. 3 distinct persons .. 3 minds - 3 entities .. but united in spirit..

Well yeah, God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. It is Jesus Whom the Father sent!
"the Lord GOD and His Spirit Have sent Me" ... "I am the LORD your God,"

but they did not have such a Trinity in Isaiah's day -- Isaiah is talking about how he was sent by God .. and that Gods spirit is within him (which is how other versions of this passage are translated) .. either way .. it is not Jesus that Isaiah is referring to .

They didn't have God in Isaiah's day? Oh my! Of course they did!
John 1:1-3 (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him;

Jesus is God, the Creator.
Col 1 By Him all things were created!

 

[kcnalp]

I answered you a number of times - mentioning specific scripture - have you lost your memory ?

No, I remember when you chopped out Genesis several times, and parts of the NT that mentions the Genesis Flood.