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So when do you start following Him, how long does one need to follow there GPS round the roundabout instead of getting out at ther desitnation. Seems everyone is going just not getting there,
Yep His Mouth,
The words that I "speak" they are spirit and they are life, Dont you get it.
I get you exalt yourself above Gods word. I share God's word, I am not God's word other than an example of what he can do. God bless you
Sorry is this a messiah complex. Sorry position already taken, by Jesus and His word.
The crux of all of this is content. Anyone could be anyone else but they are judged by their content not their claimed status.
Jesus did not say, I am the Son of God, no, I am a teacher come follow me. After His followers got to listen and know Him it was then they were asked, "Who do you say that I am?"
It is because content is everything. If Jesus as God came, had a laugh, let people think He was going to help them and just left them in a mess, would anyone have listened to Him? Jesus came with a particular set of statements about who we are, and how we can find Him and walk in His ways. Unfortunately after weeks of interaction all you have provided is "I have a hot line to God, scripture should not be listened to, but direct revelation through the miraculous."
That is not actually proof or even content it is just a claim. Now I have Jesus, His word and a changed life, love, a foundation, a sorted walk and heart. So it is difficult to dump life and reality for a pipe dream. The best you have is an LSD trip, with a certainty it is real. But I have all this already and I have Christ. So my friend, Don't you get it....... clearly not, you love your experience, so all I can say is amen, God bless you
I know this feeling, it is the answer, everyone needs what I have it will change everything.
But it is just me, and it is a step, but just a step in my walk. And for all the sharing, it does not seem to echo with others, so maybe not only will it not change everything, it is just a feeling.
A bit of a come down, but when you have been walking with the Lord for over 40 years, there have been many such things.
And as Elijah found with the Baal priests, God won, but the people still rebelled and hated God.
But it is just me, and it is a step, but just a step in my walk. And for all the sharing, it does not seem to echo with others, so maybe not only will it not change everything, it is just a feeling.
A bit of a come down, but when you have been walking with the Lord for over 40 years, there have been many such things.
And as Elijah found with the Baal priests, God won, but the people still rebelled and hated God.
Agios
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I'm not interested in having a debate about this in a thread having nothing to do with this. Too bad, it was a good thread.
CharismaticLady
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When I say "surface" I mean bottom line. The Commandment of Jesus is do not hate. The Father's is do not murder. See how much deeper to the root cause that Jesus goes? In the Old Testament you could hate, as long as it didn't go to the bottom line of murder. See? What makes you think I dislike any commandments? Jesus unsurfaced the root cause, so that we do not sin. I keep the commandments of the New Covenant and accordingly Jesus answers all my prayers like He promised. 1 John 3:21-24 According to the Word, I am pleasing in His sight and He is confirming to me that I AM keeping His commandments.
The Ten Commandments were issued because of sin UNTIL Jesus came. Why till only then? Because Jesus takes away our sin, and instead of do not do such and such, Jesus says to do this - love, and you won't break any commandment.
Galatians 3:
19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made
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Are you so offended that there are those who give Christ the Glory and Hold Him above all things..
Mat_11:6 And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me.
Its ok to raise a book above teh risen Lord, but it is not Ok to put teh Risen Lord above a book, That is Idolatry its many are offend.
Lets get back ot track
Corruption in scripture, but no corruption in personal revelation?
100% wrong. Wrong interpretation of scripture and testing of revelation is God's way. Prophets died because they disobeyed God's command, so extreme care must be taken. The message matters more than the individual.
So I counsel care and love, before one finds judgement falls. God bless you
Idolatry of revelation by false teachers. Throughout scripture people have come with revaluations not from God claiming they are greater than the prophets, Jesus and God's word.
Sadly there experience is real delusion in some cases and others just an over active imagination and others are simply lying.
I watched a "prophet" speak words from dead believers to their friends. The term medium did not cross there minds and sinful forbidden behaviour, but scripture is too limited, and the enemy uses what we also can use.
Worse still giving authority to spirits not of the Lord is the road to death and judgement. This is idolatry to other gods than the Lord and will bring judgement.
Sadly there experience is real delusion in some cases and others just an over active imagination and others are simply lying.
I watched a "prophet" speak words from dead believers to their friends. The term medium did not cross there minds and sinful forbidden behaviour, but scripture is too limited, and the enemy uses what we also can use.
Worse still giving authority to spirits not of the Lord is the road to death and judgement. This is idolatry to other gods than the Lord and will bring judgement.
This forum is filled with corruption of scripture because all mens wisdom and understanding because no one takes it to Christ. Thats why so few know Him.
They worship me with there lips, He says but there hearts are from me, such is the corruption of religion.
Dear mjrhealth, "no one takes it to Christ"
Taking things to Christ is praying, dwelling in the Holy Spirit and letting Gods spirit speak to our hearts.
Now every believer who is alive in Christ has the Holy Spirit and does this.
There is a verse from romans that speaks to this point
11 In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus.
Rom 6:11
We are to count ourselves dead to sin but alive to God.
For whatever reason you are counting me plus many others dead to God.
Like all judgemental positions it is playing God and not a faithful follower of Jesus.
I do not know what has happened to make you like this but it is a prison with no exit door unless you accept God works in other peoples lives outside your knowledge and understanding. Elijah suffered the same problem with Israel. He felt alone, lost, no one else knew the burden he carried, except God did, and told him the 7 thousand who still listened to the Lord.
I have found many who listen and follow, who are faithful to the King of Kings.
So I wonder why you have so much unbelief in the power of God to meet and change people.
God bless you
The bible isnt God
This is an interesting phrase. Let me add one word to this sentence to show its problem.
The bible isnt God "speaking"
And this is the problem. The bible is God speaking, it is why it divides our spirits and souls, convicts and causes us to rejoice and be filled iwth sorrow. If we stood in the temple and God spoke the words from His mouth, would the words change their meaning or have a different impact. Jesus put it simply with the parable of Lazarus
29 "Abraham replied, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.'
30 "'No, father Abraham,' he said, 'but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.'
31 "He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.'"
Luke 16:29-31
The principle that we find hard to accept from Gods word is the meaning, not who we see speaking it.
It is why when scripture causes me a problem I desire to pursue to understand why and find the answer.
It is scary, because what if something really difficult happens. Much safer to stay where I am.
This is why we need to exercise faith, and Gods Spirit will lead the way. Amen. God bless you
It isnt that interesting it is the truth, Wood cant speak, God is Spirit, teh words of God are Spirit, the Holy Spirit it Spirit, but men are "carnal.
Joh_4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Joh_14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
God bless
Please can you tell me what words or communication you have had with God outside of scripture?
Now whatever you write, you will be writing it down on this forum.
Does this invalidate the experience or the words spoken or their meaning?
If you use this means to communicate with me, so does God use scripture to communicate with us.
Now of course these words can be wrong, as can words spoken or ideas expressed in any means.
I have to say my friend the strangest thing is you are arguing about the means of communication not the content.
God spoke to a king through a hand writing on a wall
5 Suddenly the fingers of a human hand appeared and wrote on the plaster of the wall, near the lampstand in the royal palace. The king watched the hand as it wrote.
Daniel 5:5
Now God can use anything to communicate but as with King Belshazzar the meaning of the words are important.
It appears you, mrjhealth are less concerned with the meaning of the message but the means of communication.
It speaks to me of rebellion and denial, because scripture does not agree with your beliefs. So I have to leave it there, because I do not know what disagrees or how, but clearly you dislike scripture so much as to deny its importance.
God bless you
I have my testimony on this forum when you find it read it. Remember the in-firmed woman who knew if she touched Jesus garment she will be healed, and when she did she was, ad He knew she did, maybe its time you did the same and put away your religion and doubts and do as you say you do, walk in the Spirit.
You wont leave you idol, God told the Israelites to have no idols, yet here you are still holding on to one, and its keeping you from Him. Who is God the bible or God,
I have faith, Jesus has healed me, I have God's word. You seem to believe you know me can see beyond posts on a forum, which tells me you live in a different world than the one I know.
I cannot declare what you have or have not experienced, I can only share what I know. It amazes me how anyone can go beyond the obvious. Your failure is to claim so much on so little, God bless you
It's an interesting idea to call scripture an idol. I have thought of using this argument myself, in the sense ideas can be used defensively or put into practise. And that is the point of scripture, to live it out and not just know it.
It is ironic someone takes the argument the next step further, disowning scripture, but then everything can go too far.
God bless you
It is ironic someone takes the argument the next step further, disowning scripture, but then everything can go too far.
God bless you
You have the bible, If to you, what is alive,His word which is Spirit is no less than that of the pages of a book, than that is your choosing to reduce God to wood. You know what Idols are made of.
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