I doubt that God incarnated, but believe Jesus is God

[101G]

The son of man came by heaven?
This means the Father is a man.
Not cool

The son of man came from heaven, yes,
But ERROR on the "Father" is a man, NO. but in "LIKENESS", yes. scripture, Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: (if the Fathe was a man he wouldn't have been made in likeness as a man)
Philippians 2:8 "And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
if found in Fashion, then he was not before.

and if one want to used John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

#1. God never "WAS", he's always is. and if he was "MADE" flesh, that right there tells you his nature was not flesh before.

Understand, one need to understand the difference between "Took Part" in humanity vs "Partaker" in Humanity.

PICJAG.

 

[Earburner]

ERROR, the Flesh is not the Person, it only house the Person in it. the only thing the flesh do is inherit the idenity of the person in it.

PICJAG

So when Jesus resurrected into immortal flesh, please explain how the wounds on His head, hands, side and feet were still there.

 

[Truther]

The son of man came from heaven, yes,
But ERROR on the "Father" is a man, NO. but in "LIKENESS", yes. scripture, Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: (if the Fathe was a man he wouldn't have been made in likeness as a man)
Philippians 2:8 "And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
if found in Fashion, then he was not before.

and if one want to used John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

#1. God never "WAS", he's always is. and if he was "MADE" flesh, that right there tells you his nature was not flesh before.

Understand, one need to understand the difference between "Took Part" in humanity vs "Partaker" in Humanity.

PICJAG.

The son of man did not come from heaven. Unless you think Mary's womb is heaven.
Now, his Father in heaven made him, so techically, heaven is his source of life.
God did not pass through a woman's organs.
An embryo did.
God is not embryonic, nor was he ever embryonic.
Now, for Phil 2.....

God did not think it robbery to be equal with Himself.
God did not become a servant to wicked creation.
God is not made in the likeness of men.
God did not humble Himself to wicked subjects.
God did not die.
God did not rise from the dead...

....an individual man with a God, did.


Also, God's word was made flesh, not a Spirit made flesh.

A Spirit is NOT flesh.

 

[Truther]

GINOLJC, TO ALL,
did you not read my posts? the son of God came by Mary, but the Son of Man came from heaven. once more,

#1. the son of God, Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God".
son of God is "born" of Mary, "flesh and bone with blood.

#2. Son of man. John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven". the Son of man came by no one but himself. the son of man is not born, but "GIVEN, supportive scripture,
Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace".

the child that was "born", flesh, bone, and blood is the son of God. but what WHICH was "given", is not born, is the "spirit", from heaven, the son of man.

hope this is clear on where I stand.

PICJAG.

#1....Jesus is the begotten son of God(not "God the Son").

#2....The son of man preexisted in God's mind(as is reality) as the begotten, human son of God before the world began. He was crucified back then(Rev 13:8). God saw him born in Psalm 2 and spoke to him also.

Now observe for the first time in your life Isaiah 9:6.....


6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given(PRESENT TENSE)...... and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called(FUTURE TENSE) Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Notice the tenses change in the verse.

In his life he was a baby and a son.....in his afterlife he is the rest(God).

This is saying his IS now human, and SHALL be God.

Amazing, huh?

 

[Truther]

Neither, really. He created an "image", a revelation.

Mary gave birth to an image/revelation?
No placenta attached?

 

[Truther]

ERROR, the Flesh is not the Person, it only house the Person in it. the only thing the flesh do is inherit the idenity of the person in it.

PICJAG

Is this person speaking, God?...


12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.


If so, please explain how God has a God?
Thanks.

 

[Truther]

What took place in way Jesus was born in the flesh, is now the reverse for us.
> He was Spirit made to flesh.
> And now by faith in Him, we are flesh made to be Spirit.

Sorta....flesh dies, to be given a spirit life.

 

[ScottA]

Mary gave birth to an image/revelation?
No placenta attached?

If Minnie Mouse gave birth would a placenta be involved...or pixels? It's like that. God created man in His "image." This world is that image.

 

[Earburner]

Sorta....flesh dies, to be given a spirit life.

Not sorta, but rather its the reality of being born again.
Rom. 8[8] So then they that are [void of His Spirit] in the flesh cannot please God.
[9] But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
[10] And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
[11] But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies [alive to God] by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
[12] Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
[13] For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
[14] For as many as are led by the Spir

 

[Earburner]

^ [14] For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

 

[brakelite]

ERROR, the Flesh is not the Person, it only house the Person in it. the only thing the flesh do is inherit the idenity of the person in it.

PICJAG

Plato philosophy. Greek philosophy. Not biblical.

 

[brakelite]

I taught that God incarnated in flesh for about 35 years.

I now think that God did not become a man, but that a man(Jesus Christ, a redo of the 1st Adam) was made God after the resurrection and subsequent Col 2:9 effect on his post resurrection(quickening spirit) body.

Your thoughts, arguments and comments much welcome here....

When Jesus said that God gave His only begotten Son,I am inclined to believe that God had a Son to give.

 

[101G]

So when Jesus resurrected into immortal flesh, please explain how the wounds on His head, hands, side and feet were still there.

because they never left, it is the evidence or the idenity of who the PERSON is in that flesh. in this case JESUS.

example, if you fell as a child and scraped, say for instance your arm aganist a hard surface. those scares healed, but they might still be there from childhood. I know I have some from childhood, but it didn't change the PERSON me?.

PICJAG.

 

[101G]

The son of man did not come from heaven. Unless you think Mary's womb is heaven.

did you not read? John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven".
Let's see, you said the Son of man did not come from heaven. well the bible disagree with that assessmen, so I'll believe the bible over you. and No, I don't think Mary's womb, nor any woman womb is heaven or in it....

Now, his Father in heaven made him, so techically, heaven is his source of life.

say what? "his Father in heaven made him?". are you kidding? I quess not.
#1. your second ERROR in your arsenal of not understanding the truth. Jesus never had a Father, biologically or other wise. listen to the scriptures, Hebrews 1:5 "For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?" did you see that? "I will be to him a Father", not that he is his Jesus Father, no, but in his diversified state as the equal Share, he will be, be,be, his Father... man o man. not that he is his Father but WILL BE.

#2. you third ERROR, you said,"so techically, heaven is his source of life". did you not read, he MADE heaven, how can something he made be his source of LIFE. that's why I asked are you kidding me?. .... oh well.

God did not pass through a woman's organs.
An embryo did.
God is not embryonic, nor was he ever embryonic.
Now, for Phil 2.....

#3. did we not tell you this, he's not a PARTAKER of flesh and blood, but "TOOK PART" in our humanity.
again, learn the difference between "Partake" and "Took Part".

God did not think it robbery to be equal with Himself.
God did not become a servant to wicked creation.

ERROR again, I stop counting the errors. Luke 22:24 "And there was also a strife among them, which of them should be accounted the greatest.
Luke 22:25 "And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors.
Luke 22:26 "But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve.
Luke 22:27 "For whether is greater, he that sitteth at meat, or he that serveth? is not he that sitteth at meat? but I am among you as he that serveth". now let's clearly see this service,
Matthew 20:28 "Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many".
that word "Minister" means to serve,
G1247 διακονέω diakoneo (d̮iy-a-ko-ne'-ō) v.
1. to be an attendant, to wait upon (menially or as a host, friend).
2. (figuratively) to serve as a teacher.
3. (technically) to act as a Christian steward (deacon).
[from G1249]
KJV: (ad-)minister (unto), serve, use the office of a deacon
and his ministering is to the unsaved, or better know as you said, the "Wicked". scripture, Matthew 9:12 "But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.
Matthew 9:13 "But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance".

God is not made in the likeness of men.

Again another ERROR, Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was

God did not die

ERROR on your Part, listen there are two DEATHS. God the Share, himself, was in that flesh, with BLOOD. when that body died, natural death occured. for it was his BODY that died, and as said the body took on the idenity of the spirit/person that's in it. now Truther, let me make it clear. say for instance I and my wife went to NY to vist, and I was walking in central park, (just an example, ok). and i was robbed and killed. my wife was not with me. well when the police came and identifed me by my driver license and found out which hotel i was staying, and knocked on the door and my wife answered. that inform jer of the bad news, and ask if she would come down to the mourge and "IDENTIFY" the body. not Identify her "HUSBAND", because his Body is not her HUSBAND, but it "IDENTIFY" her husband. just as I told earburner, the body IDENTIFIES the person or the spirit in it.

so when our Lord spirit seperated from his Natural body death occure. for the Body without the spirit is what....... DEAD. so the body is dead. hence the scripture, Revelation 1:18 "I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death".

God did not rise from the dead...

Revelation 5:6 "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth".

Also, God's word was made flesh, not a Spirit made flesh.
A Spirit is NOT flesh.

Is not Jesus a Spirit that have glorified flesh? lets see, Romans 8:9 "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his".

PICJAG.

 

[Truther]

did you not read? John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven".
Let's see, you said the Son of man did not come from heaven. well the bible disagree with that assessmen, so I'll believe the bible over you. and No, I don't think Mary's womb, nor any woman womb is heaven or in it....

say what? "his Father in heaven made him?". are you kidding? I quess not.
#1. your second ERROR in your arsenal of not understanding the truth. Jesus never had a Father, biologically or other wise. listen to the scriptures, Hebrews 1:5 "For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?" did you see that? "I will be to him a Father", not that he is his Jesus Father, no, but in his diversified state as the equal Share, he will be, be,be, his Father... man o man. not that he is his Father but WILL BE.

#2. you third ERROR, you said,"so techically, heaven is his source of life". did you not read, he MADE heaven, how can something he made be his source of LIFE. that's why I asked are you kidding me?. .... oh well.


#3. did we not tell you this, he's not a PARTAKER of flesh and blood, but "TOOK PART" in our humanity.
again, learn the difference between "Partake" and "Took Part".

ERROR again, I stop counting the errors. Luke 22:24 "And there was also a strife among them, which of them should be accounted the greatest.
Luke 22:25 "And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors.
Luke 22:26 "But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve.
Luke 22:27 "For whether is greater, he that sitteth at meat, or he that serveth? is not he that sitteth at meat? but I am among you as he that serveth". now let's clearly see this service,
Matthew 20:28 "Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many".
that word "Minister" means to serve,
G1247 διακονέω diakoneo (d̮iy-a-ko-ne'-ō) v.
1. to be an attendant, to wait upon (menially or as a host, friend).
2. (figuratively) to serve as a teacher.
3. (technically) to act as a Christian steward (deacon).
[from G1249]
KJV: (ad-)minister (unto), serve, use the office of a deacon
and his ministering is to the unsaved, or better know as you said, the "Wicked". scripture, Matthew 9:12 "But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.
Matthew 9:13 "But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance".

Again another ERROR, Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was

ERROR on your Part, listen there are two DEATHS. God the Share, himself, was in that flesh, with BLOOD. when that body died, natural death occured. for it was his BODY that died, and as said the body took on the idenity of the spirit/person that's in it. now Truther, let me make it clear. say for instance I and my wife went to NY to vist, and I was walking in central park, (just an example, ok). and i was robbed and killed. my wife was not with me. well when the police came and identifed me by my driver license and found out which hotel i was staying, and knocked on the door and my wife answered. that inform jer of the bad news, and ask if she would come down to the mourge and "IDENTIFY" the body. not Identify her "HUSBAND", because his Body is not her HUSBAND, but it "IDENTIFY" her husband. just as I told earburner, the body IDENTIFIES the person or the spirit in it.

so when our Lord spirit seperated from his Natural body death occure. for the Body without the spirit is what....... DEAD. so the body is dead. hence the scripture, Revelation 1:18 "I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death".

Revelation 5:6 "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth".

Is not Jesus a Spirit that have glorified flesh? lets see, Romans 8:9 "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his".

PICJAG.

If Jesus came down from heaven, then are you saying that Jesus turned into a sperm cell to get to earth, tunneling through Mary's birth canal?
Or, Did God impregnate a woman named Mary through fertilization of her egg cell to create the son of God/son of man we know of as Jesus Christ?
Was Jesus slain from the foundation of the world and known of God as Jeremiah was before conception as the Bible says or not?

Did you know that per John 14 and Romans 8 that there are both the Spirit of God and the spirit of the man Christ Jesus(quickening spirit) inside us?

 

[Truther]

When Jesus said that God gave His only begotten Son,I am inclined to believe that God had a Son to give.

You are correct. Got begat a son per Mary's egg cell. Jesus Christ was/is a real human with a God, not God with a "human nature".

 

[Truther]

If Minnie Mouse gave birth would a placenta be involved...or pixels? It's like that. God created man in His "image." This world is that image.

Jesus came in pixels?

 

[101G]

#1....Jesus is the begotten son of God(not "God the Son").

Hebrews 1:8 "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom". here the definite article is used. "O God".

I just see your post, which I was working on.

If Jesus came down from heaven, then are you saying that Jesus turned into a sperm cell to get to earth, tunneling through Mary's birth canal?
Or, Did God impregnate a woman named Mary through fertilization of her egg cell to create the son of God/son of man we know of as Jesus Christ?
Was Jesus slain from the foundation of the world and known of God as Jeremiah was before conception as the Bible says or not?

Did you know that per John 14 and Romans 8 that there are both the Spirit of God and the spirit of the man Christ Jesus(quickening spirit) inside us?

are I'm saying this are you. and no to your first three questions, and I been saying that the Holy Ghost is Jesus. now lets take this one step at a time.
now a question. How was the Son begotten? ........
Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God".

overshadow:
G1982 ἐπισκιάζω episkiazo (e-piy-skiy-a'-zō) v.
1. to cast a shade upon.
2. (by analogy) to envelop in a haze of brilliancy.
3. (figuratively) to invest with preternatural influence.
[from G1909 and a derivative of G4639]
KJV: overshadow

so what is The preternatural or praeternatural? is that which appears outside or beside (Latin præter) the natural.
so he was not begotten by sexual means, (see your inept statements above), so how was he begotten, meaning the Body he came in, flesh? do you know? well now since we disqualified the sexual route, now the question, "how was the body, not Jesus the Spirit, but his body was begotten?". your answer please, cain't wait to hear it.

PICJAG.

 

[101G]

Plato philosophy. Greek philosophy. Not biblical.

John 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life".
Genesis 3:19 "In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return".

PICJAG

 

[Truther]

Hebrews 1:8 "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom". here the definite article is used. "O God".

I just see your post, which I was working on.

are I'm saying this are you. and no to your first three questions, and I been saying that the Holy Ghost is Jesus. now lets take this one step at a time.
now a question. How was the Son begotten? ........
Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God".

overshadow:
G1982 ἐπισκιάζω episkiazo (e-piy-skiy-a'-zō) v.
1. to cast a shade upon.
2. (by analogy) to envelop in a haze of brilliancy.
3. (figuratively) to invest with preternatural influence.
[from G1909 and a derivative of G4639]
KJV: overshadow

so what is The preternatural or praeternatural? is that which appears outside or beside (Latin præter) the natural.
so he was not begotten by sexual means, (see your inept statements above), so how was he begotten, meaning the Body he came in, flesh? do you know? well now since we disqualified the sexual route, now the question, "how was the body, not Jesus the Spirit, but his body was begotten?". your answer please, cain't wait to hear it.

PICJAG.

The term begotten has sexual connotations. Not meaning God had sex but fertilized the ovaries of Mary. God’s word was made a sperm cell to fertilize Mary’s egg. Thus we have the begotten son of God and Mary’s begotten son.

There is no such thing as an eternal begotten son.

Jesus was simply known of his God in eternity, as Jeremiah was